SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. frodoz737

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  2. tochatihu

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    we're still only at 45% vaccinated adults for influenza, i don't hold out much hope for covid vax percentage increase
     
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    "science" says ......
    Myocarditis and Covid-19 vaccines - BHF

    Those two heart conditions brought on by mRNA have caused more than just 2 deaths. iirc, the count is in the 40s, although some were supposedly attributable to underlying prior conditions.
    A small number ... unless you're one of the number. And for those who have acquired the heart condition from mRNA, well there's that .... but at least it didn't kill you.
    Then there's herd immunity. "Science" recognizes it but detailed studies may be another thing (not near as much $$$ in it).
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    Sorry, but the last two posts ... Is Max2 saying only those that die as a result of Covid 19 die from respiratory failure or cardiac failure .... isn't that a bit like saying someone didn't drown, they just failed to get enough oxygen from the water in their lungs and their heart failed?

    As far as saying the vaccine causes heart conditions that could kill you .... it's a bit like going into a pub and starting to drink your first beer .... some loco nutter decides to make himself look like a big man and king hits you, you go over the back of the bar stool and crack your skull open on the bar room floor and die .... was that the result of have that one beer? .... or from sitting on a bar stool? ..... or a direct result of going into a bar? Therefore, all bars should be closed, bar stools banned and beer made a deadly health risk?

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    Not at all.

    I say that people die, but either from cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest.

    Covid is stretched like a hedgehog on a globe.

    You can also say that redheads or Vanuatu speakers die from Covid.
     
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    But Covid is a respiratory virus, either they survive, or die from lack of oxygen because the lungs just can't cope with the immune systems over reaction, or the heart can't handle the strain and that gives out before the victim takes their last breath ..... The death was still the result of the Covid virus ..... redheads use a different method of killing you ;) Married one early on, still suffering from the after effects 50 yrs later .... is that long redhead disorder? I've put it down to thinking with the wrong head and have tried to learn from that ..... unfortunately it took 3 booster shots with different hair colours till I finally found one I could live with :rolleyes:

    T1 Terry
     
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    Hard to argue with word salads
     
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    As interest in covid wanes, let me discuss this: that which does not kill me, makes me stronger. When true and when not? There are clear examples and others less so.

    Fracture a bone and it will regrow thicker. You skier or whoever else will pop a different bone next time. Martial artists abuse their bones (below fracturing) to achieve thickening. Sprains are ligaments losing some attachments to bones. Recovery will always be less than initial and this is not where you should want to go for ‘makes me stronger’.

    Immune systems begin mostly naive, and young ones get colds (very rarely killing) and (so the story goes) there are about 200 rhinoviruses and coxsackieviruses, and people achieving old age have developed immunities against most or all. Other diseases are more frisky, and have led to immunizations to tamp burdens down. Vaccines, briefly, train immune systems against diseases not suffered before. Free ride. Covid vaccines’ efficacy have already been addressed here.

    Allergies seem to be immune systems going against foreign proteins, being from pollen or peanuts or what have you. I would call the worst of these cytokine storms, and beg readers with more medical knowledge to clean up; Anyway I see little chance for exposure to theses antigens to make ‘us’ stronger.

    Exposure to classical poisons like arsenic, lead (and more modern polonium) won’t make you stronger, Sorry. Snake and other animal toxins pose interesting questions for antigen production. We globally use a number of horses I don’t know to save people from snakebites. With some success. But others among venoms are looped polypeptides and I cannot see a way to ‘horse’ those, or develop self immunity by starting from tiny doses’.

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    Non-lethal doses of some things can make you stronger. Others no.

    Freedom declares that YOU get to figure all this out from science or from internet fluff. I wish you well.
     
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    I'm not sure the wider population understands what the Covid vaccine is aiming to achieve, it is not to build immunity against catching Covid, it is to alert the immune to what the covid virus looks like, so it doesn't over react and use the scatter gun approach to something it doesn't know .... it isn't the virus that kills people, it is the immune systems reaction to the virus. The aim is to reduce the affect the Covid virus has on the immune system so it treats it much like the common cold. It identifies the virus, knows what anti virus weapons worked when it saw the virus before, and deploys them to minimise the affect it has on the body.

    I'm guessing you have heard about some that have had the vaccine, yet still caught Covid, didn't die from it and at a later date, were found to have Covid again, yet showed no symptoms ...... the body just got on with the job it normally does, identify the problem, only use the defences it knows that work, so no need for the high temperatures or cough, lung congestion or even the runny nose, they can carry on as if nothing was wrong because to their body, nothing is seriously wrong ...... it doesn't mean if you don't have an immune system that knows what to do, that this virtually immune person won't spread it and you catch it, it does mean that it could potentially kill you though .....

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    Were you a Virologist?
     
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    Why do you ask? Would you believe a virologist?
     
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    Good point. Many of the neurologists are on opposite sides
     
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    I comment on a disparity that has appeared here. Regular people present opinions here or wave the scent of conspiracies. I see no reason to speak against that. But when those opinions etc. are opposed, the question is raised about qualifications as virologist or other medical professional.

    Establishing an uneven playing field suggests that such opinions or wavings lack merit and need buttressing otherwise.
     
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    "it isn't the virus that kills people, it is the immune systems reaction to the virus" The infection itself does kill people. Patients needing respirators, oxygen, or 'proning' are suffering direct damage to lung function. That can and does kill. It was long ago in this thread we considered x-ray imaging of lungs that had gone very wrong.

    Other patients have cytokine storms that result from overactive (at least improper) immune responses. That can and does kill also.
     
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    It comes from vaccinations, improved treatments, and genetic changes away from lethality that COVID Is now killing less than 3000 per month globally. There may also be under reporting of fatalities, varying among countries.

    'Common' colds from 200 (maybe) viruses kill globally; that number I do not know. Circulating influenza viruses may kill 70,000 globally? Something like that. New kid on the block, H5N1 influenza is not yet doing much in humans, but birds and other mammals are beset.

    There are many other bacteria and viruses on the prowl and I have not attempted to assemble their toll. It would be good to know, as some not all have effective vaccines. There is a scent waved that US might step back from its remarkably large efforts in that regard.

    The bad boys may score better in upcoming innings.
     
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    Like the uneven playing field forced on us with lies and half truths during the "pandemic"?
     
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    Were you a virologist?