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It's around a million legal a year.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2021/10/15/the-number-of-legal-immigrants-to-the-us-every-year-since-1990/

A 10 million figure for illegal would include all the ones caught and deported, some of which are repeat offenders.
Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org

 

I thought more would be concerned about the possibility Canada could get so p*ssed off, they stop exporting gas and electricity to the US ..... they have already signed contracts to sell their gas to Japan, so the market for selling the stuff elsewhere is already in place within a week of the tariff nonsense being announced ......

Australia has had a 25% tariff applied to steel and aluminium. The major steel producer in Aust also owns a steel mill in the USA that has been haemorrhaging money and being kept alive by draining profits from the Australian plants, so they are overjoyed with the announcement. Aust aluminium sales to the US are so minuscule (2.5%) of the total imported into the US that I doubt it will really be noticed .... but if the imports from Canda stop, then things might get real serious .....

T1 Terry

 

You are just hoping you will still be able to see the sky to know if it's falling

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I've said for a long time that we will know when BEVs reach economic viability - when the government stops paying people kickbacks to drive them and starts making them pay taxes!
(their fair share..... )

 

Well, while I agree, there are certain incentives going to fuel and oil that make it seem unfair that ICE transportation is seemingly subsidized yet BEV now is not.

And the point of incentivizing BEV technology was to help these companies compete with others like China. Now it looks like the only way to compete with these other countries is to levy eternal tariffs against them. And that's not to say that they won't eventually find ways to get their BEVs into the USA.

 

Concern?? Far from it, I hope they do.

Part of our problem in politics is people always blame the previous administration for anything bad and always accepts credit for anything good.
I want it to be so blatantly apparent and happen so fast that no one can fail to see where the fault lies.

 

Suddenly I'm thinking of a Mike & that mechanics song ....

I'm all about the irony. We have the capability to make stuff cheap like other countries. We have the capability to manufacture every thing like other countries. So what's the difference. Oh, I know, we like to outsource our toxic chemicals that are byproducts of the factories. We like to outsource stuff like chrome plating. We like to outsource the pollution from steel mills & aluminum smelting & mining of other valuable ores. We like to outsource cheap (or dangerous) slave labor working below our minimum wage.
Nobody bitched about our Apple computers (or was it phones) causing cheap Chinese laborers to jump out windows to their death until it became really massive. Yeah why should we make textiles here or closing here. LOL. we are such a bunch of hypocrites.
But hey that's the beautiful thing about socialism. Everybody has the same minimum stuff (unless you're a government official) ... Utopia that never happens.
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A politician in Canada was threatening to turn off the electricity when they were first threatened with tariffs.

They might just say why bother selling EVs in the US. We aren't the most important market for them, and Canada and Mexico already get models that we don't. Then there are the growing markets in the rest of the Americas, India, Asia, and Africa. The companies in fear of here don't just make BEVs. Dissuade even the friendly nation companies from selling here, and the US car market will end up like Iran's and old Soviet Russia's. Lack of competition leads to real choice. Like before the '80s and '70s, but the rest of the world has no interest in US cars.

That is not the fault of some socialist bogeyman. The people didn't want to be poisoned at their jobs or in their homes, so the government passed regulations. The people wanted to be able to afford an actual life. So minimum wage laws were passed. Laws on safety, child labor, pollution, etc. all passed cause the people wanted it.

It was businesses and corporations that choose to move to places with less stringent laws to reduce costs. This is the result of pure capitalism.

 

China still is a major user of coal, even though comparatively a pittance of LNG is now in use
LNG is not displacing coal in China's power mix | IEEFA

Point being - what's good for their state is not necessarily good for the world. Same with China's allowance of bits of capitalism. If unskilled labor work for Apple over there, and people are jumping out of windows, you put up nets to prevent the bad Optics.

Life and death in Apple’s forbidden city | Apple | The Guardian

Whatever the socialist state ultimately says - it's the way it is. So our EV production is far from being on an equal playing field .... as is our Environmental standards. Corporate responsibility/ governance concerns itself more with good governance then the state in many aspects.
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When I was touring China about 6 years ago, our tour bus drove by an Apple facility. When I asked our tour guide if that was an Apple facility, she got nervous and said she didn't know.
It looked like a prison. Ten to fifteen foot cyclone fencing topped with barbed wire and the tell tail jump nets erected around the base of the buildings' second story level. I later looked up the name on the side of the building and it was one of Apples' premiere subcontractor.

Just checked, it was actually 9 years ago, 2016..

 

What do you mean by "like Iran's and old Soviet Russia's?" I've never been to either, and one doesn't exist anymore to go and see.

Didn't tariffs on pickups make pickups here more expensive and less reliable? Is that what you're saying?

Personally I don't have any hopes for the car market. It will keep getting more expensive. Meanwhile I have other things more important to do with my money than buy over-priced American vehicles.

 

Iran is mostly cut off from exterior sources for cars because of sanctions. Leaving the market to the locals. With the limited competition, the manufacturers didn't have to care about the customers. The only option for most is low quality; think Yugos as the only choice.

 

It’s like letting a group of little boys play with matches. Here kids do whatever you want.

 

It must be hard looking from the inside out to get a clear perspective ... probably even harder for an outsider knowing just what they are reading is the real deal, or someone's perspective or paid political interpretation. looking from the outside in, both Trump and Musk have serious problems with identifying the truth from what they want to see/tell everyone .... Have I got that part close to correct or am I being mislead by the media ..... I must admit that the last time he was in office, "Fake News" was a pointer to what was possibly the closest to reality rather than the narrative he wanted people to believe.

This last lot of nonsense with Ukraine starting the war sure sounds like someone's reading from the Putin script, how deep might that actually go? The USA did fracture the Russian power base .... could this be the plan in reverse?

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My perspective is what we have now is better than what we had with Biden or what we would have had under Harris.

 

Based on ... what exactly?

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The list is very, very long and not allowed in this sub-forum, being more appropriate in Fred's. My views are well known there should you care to play.

 

He does not really want to say The US was a root cause. After saying NATO would not expand an inch toward the Soviet Union, Clinton decided to expand away. Years later Putin brough that up and said 10 more countries had joined & no more! The UK & US insisted on Ukraine becoming a NATO member, putting NATO on Russia's doorstep.

 

I’m in favor of promoting ev’s, and alternative energy like renewables.
But it is what it is, and we’ll have to be patient.
For those in favor of drill baby drill, the game is afoot!

 

Putin's initial reason for invading Ukraine was because Nazis were in power. It became about NATO when that didn't catch on. Crimea was supposedly cause they needed to protect the ethnic Russians living there.

It is really about rebuilding the Soviet empire. Which is why these countries that were once part of that want to be in NATO now.

Unfortunately for them, the oil companies are happy with what they are drilling now, and don't want lower gas prices.