Electric power from a hybrid, connecting inverter to the high-voltage system

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    Hmm, interesting:

    It seems as if he's still holding out some possibility of doing another product line. Something similar happened when he closed ConVerdant and then PlugOut Power opened with a new line of inverters from a different supplier. I suppose he's kind of at the mercy of what suppliers he can find who offer products with a suitable input voltage range and at a price that works out. (And the more hybrid-vehicle models crop up, the wider the input voltage range might have to be.)

    Their "supported vehicle list" was a useful reference for the amount of power they had determined was practical to get from different hybrid models. So I guess it's worth making sure it exists on the Wayback Machine in case the web site goes away.
     
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    Years ago, a friend's storm generator was stuck in the dealership in time of need. It had already been repaired, but when Ray went to pick it up, the shop itself was closed due to a storm-driven power outage. Ray could see his generator through the front window, but the placed was locked, all employees gone home.
     
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    ...... & that's why we'll still keep the Honda 6000kW Honda Tri fuel gen set .... just in case. But presuming it's not stuck in the service center, there's comfort knowing it'll deliver 7.2 KW until that 600 miles of fuel Runs Out.
    THEN we'll switch to the Honda.

    As for possible "what ifs" ... doesn't that natural gas powered Generac on the sides of folks' homes face the same possibilities? A good size earthquake not only can bring down natural gas delivery, but the electric power that keeps the compressors up - for natural gas pressure, right?
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    Most ng pipelines pump using ng. Traditionally ng has remained available in hurricane prone areas.
     
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    It's not just hurricanes people need to be concerned about.
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    Does it matter? In SoCal - nat gas regulator / meters have a bubble gauge used to disconnect the supply from the house. It presumes if the bubble goes outside it's little circle - then there's too high a probability that there will be a broken gas line somewhere down the line. The meter (delivery) shuts off.
    So much for the Generac Natural Gas gen set.
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    Manually reset the meter? After having the gas supply plumbed such that you can isolate the gen set supply from the rest of the home?

    Examples:
    Seismic Safety Products instructions Earthquake gas shutoff valves. Northridge valves prevents gas fires caused by earthquakes
    How do I reset my valve? - Little Firefighter Earthquake Products
     
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    That.

    I learned about that reset procedure about a week after I moved into California. I figured it was just one of those things Californians were supposed to know.
     
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    I tried the reset to no avail but maybe that was just me.
     
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    ... or your particular model or unit or installation. Without further troubleshooting, we can't blindly declare "pilot error" as the cause.
     
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    Toyota /Lexus uses a 120V 1500W inverter on a number of new hybrid models, which is connected to a high-voltage battery.
    Control comes from the power button.

    Original inverter number: 8624A-42020
     
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    What a difference 3 years makes. In just 2 or 3 more months - the 90+kwh plug-in Ramcharger (a 130kw genset) pickup becomes available. Who needs a turbo when you're AWD Motors generate 615' Lbs of torque .... much less tons of power out capability. It's 27 gallon capacity fuel tank means your gen set can run for a long long time during the zombie apocalypse.

    Only remaining question will be whether its 1st gen DC QC capability will utilize NCAS architecture. If so the 6.5kW tri fuel Honda (only 65hrs on it) genset will go straight to Facebook Marketplace - along w/ the 60k miles used volt. At age 68 - the next car buy should last us 'till we go meet the Lord.
     
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    I could really use info for Gen 5 (I have 2024 Prime), especially the location of the Main HV DC relays.
     
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    These links were mentioned in by the OP ... years ago. Several of those original spare energy providers have given up as the market changes so quickly nowadays
     
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    I see what happened ... Jim was quoting post #1 and then asking for gen 5 info, but as he was editing out the early parts of #1 he also lost the quote tag at the beginning. I've let the mod know, who can fix it easily.
     
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    That's the exact kind of information you'd find in the Repair Manual:

    Toyota Service Information and Where To Find It | PriusChat

    Hint: even better, if you sign in to TIS for that, look at the New Car Features manual first. It's the one that shows the what and the where all the things are, and why and what they do and how. It's the manual that everything in the Repair Manual assumes you've already looked at first, so that it's kind of surprising how few people seem to really.

    You might find a recent thread around here where you can contact somebody who's already downloaded the gen 5 Repair Manual. I didn't see that they had done the same for New Car Features though.
     
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    They have not downloaded the wiring diagrams either. Being a Prius Prime adds complexity as well.

    However I am pretty sure the
    "HYBRID / BATTERY CONTROL: HV RELAY ASSEMBLY (for PHEV Model)" is inside the Prime's large battery assembly and is also known as the "NO. 1 TRACTION BATTERY DEVICE BOX ASSEMBLY".

    Once in TIS, you define your model and provide a vin which helps narrow the search.