SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

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    This (illustration) may sound snide - but not meant to.
    Studies that represent general rules means there has to be a largeer group(s). I would imagine for instance?
    1K male 70yrs old: jabbed
    1K male 70yrs old: no jab
    1K female 70yrs old: jabbed
    1K female 70yrs old: no jab
    1K male 20yrs old: jabbed
    1K male 20kyrs old: no jab
    1K male (fat) 50yrs old: jabbed
    1K male (fat) 50yrs old: no jab
    1K female (fat) 50yrs old: no jab
    1K female (fat) 50yrs old: jabbed

    Plus add age groups filled inbetween these bare examples - plus all these new groups with multiple comorbidities & alternate comorbidities for each groups. Plus add in different ethnicities to all these varying groups of ages & genders & health scenarios?

    Isn't that like a combination lock with 50 numbers on it that can be swapped around 50 times (IE; 50 to the 50th power)?
    Over 888,17,841,970,012,523,233,890,533,447,265,625 people?

    Now if there are only 100 people in each of the dozens & dozens of test group variables - the amount of test people would still be astronomical.

    All that to evoke the wandering how many group variables to come up with a general rule for generalized efficacy vs harmfulness. So, we understand there MAY be harm, that MAY outweigh the benefits to SOME, for the general rule that it's going to help MOST people. And forcing a jab on SOME groups where if SOME refuse, it means they lose their jobs.
    Most people efficacy .... 60%? ... 80%?

    Until next time ...... a (germ warfare), experiment escapes a foreign test lab, we will then rinse & repeat.
    Even us folk that have had dozens of types of vaccinations over dozens of years wonder about what we did this time.
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    It doesn't sound snide, just kind of like a person's first thoughts that would lead to further study of a topic. You don't have to roll your own math from scratch; your local university probably has one or more courses on offer with titles like Design and Analysis of Experiments. Books like Montgomery's and Youden's might be used in such courses. If your interests were in medical research, you could probably continue with courses covering more details specific to the complexities of that. There is computer software available to help you with the hairier math of evaluating your experiment designs, and your university's stats department might also have a staffed consultation desk just to help make sure you have thought through the design of a study well enough. Reviewers of your submitted papers can have useful comments too.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    We did that experiment back in 2021!
    And a smaller one was done in late 2020.

    Mike
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    You're describing:

    Multivariate analysis is a statistical method that examines data sets with more than one variable. It helps identify patterns and correlations between variables, which can help us understand the data and how it applies to real-world situations. ​

    Bob Wilson

     
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    This is not a bird-flu thread. We have one (with cats) and if that should be our place, I politely request a title change there.

    Bird flu was first noted ~1880 in Italy with deaths in kept flocks. Bird flu may have interacted with 1918 influenza killing so many, but it should not be expected that connecting details can fully be known. Bird flu more recently has infected many bird species, including, importantly, long-distance migrators. Mostly not dying, so as vectors, moved it pretty much everywhere.

    Bird flu has been nibbling at kept flocks since ~1880, and in recent 2 decades has done better there. Many egg-producing chicken fleets have been infected, then killed, and their replacements require ~20 months to restore production. So egg$ -> $$

    Cow and pig fleets have been also infected recently. What has not happened yet is human to human transfer of this virus; any version that has been stewing in our animal food-fleets. This surprises me, because influenza viruses with all their H# and N# have solved the human-transmission before. So, do we bet that this one can't (because I dun no why), or that it will, in which case it would be wise to track changes in these genomes, so vaccines at later need can be quickly aimed well.

    Angry influenza viruses (like this) can hit 50% human mortality if they can get in. Relaxed influenza viruses (like seasonal flu) hit 1% or similar. Success in spreading viral genomes depends on not killing hosts, which bird flu has already achieved in migratory bird species but not in other species. It amazes me that bird flu, adjacent to humans for so long, has not cracked the code yet.

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    In about 2013 bird flu was a thing in China, people got the idea that garlic was preventative, and garlic prices increased >20 fold. I just wanted to mention that.
     
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    Garlic may actually work, you know.

    Ever tried to get close to somebody who dropped 5 cloves as 'After Dinner Mints?'
    ;)
     
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    That's why garlic works against vampires:D

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    I may try the garlic thing with some unfortunate relatives
     
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    They redefined vaccine in 2020 to include the mRNA jab as a vaccine. It is much different than previous vaccines.
     
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    Several years ago, tried garlic pills for high blood pressure . . . no measurable effect. Upgraded to eating garlic cloves . . . no measurable blood pressure effect. Then I noticed taking a shower did not take away the body odor.

    Garlic abstinence solved the shower problem. Perhaps garlic works by driving off people who trigger high blood pressure?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I thought garlic was a blood thinner, and suggested to address clot issues.
     
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    Another garlic stinking (topical home remedy) substance that many in the sports & Military have found beneficial is what was originally designed to be an industrial cleaner - dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO). If i tore pectoral or deltoid muscle/tendons or strained lower back, i'd apply it topically & then in relatively short time you have pain relief. Downside is you smell like garlic. Medical industry has studied it for oner ½ a century - where some say inconclusive & others show benefits. iirc - there were even studies showing patients that had issues with injecting drugs/medicine or oral - DMSO could similarly draw the dose in through the skin, along w/ the DMSO.
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    Perhaps it depends on your DNA