Wobble control of steering.

Discussion in 'Prius v Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by GigglingPresident, Jan 15, 2025.

  1. GigglingPresident

    GigglingPresident Junior Member

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    Issue: Overtime our Prius V has a wabble sensation when driving from 0 to 40 on a even road. Kind of feels like might be coming from front right. It rides better on uneven road or with little potholes as soon as it hits something it resets the vibration.

    Car stats:
    Year:2013
    Model: Prius V Two
    Mileage: 125000

    Replaced parts as part of suspension:
    • Front and Rear Wheel Hub Bearings Assembly
    • Sway Bar End Link Front Stabilizer Bar Link
    • Suspension Stabilizer Bar Bushing Kit
    What steps taken to diagnose:

    • all 4 wheel balanced
    • Inner tie rod and outer test and nothing is moving as expected.
    • Wheels rotated.
    Symptoms:
    • Wabble feeling on steering wheel when going from 0 to 40MPH.
    • Wabble kind of shaking in a front right.
    • Knocking but not loud sound from steering column on super uneven road.
    • Slight squeaking sound when turning to a driveway (
      of when turning wheels while parked)
    • look of when parked and turning steering wheel:
    I am thinking to replace all 4 struts but I am thinking it could be also rack and pinion or both inner and outer tie rods.

    Any help would be apricated.
     
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    Broken belt on one or more tires?
     
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    How can you diagnose that ?
     
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    Visually, for starters. Inspect the outer and inner sidewalls for tread or belt separation.
     
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    Thank you. I will report back what I find out about the tires. They are 3 years old but you never know in Florida SUn.
     
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    Greetings,

    I inspected each tire individually by moving them to the rear position to rotate and check for any visible defects. Although I'm not an expert, they appear to be in normal condition to me.

    Below you will find me turning each wheel:
    https://youtube.com/shorts/_46N_uBmt20
    https://youtube.com/shorts/JR8vxZBUlq0
    https://youtube.com/shorts/vLEpK2thu18
    https://youtube.com/shorts/VxycksB4NrU

    (seems like this forum doesn't allow youtube shorts to be embedded as media)

    At this point, I hate to shell out $$ on new tires as the one I have are fairly new from TireRack. They are Yokohamas.

    Would be worth to start replacing struts with rack pinion, inner and outer rods? Or am I chasing something else? They are all original. Car is a Florida car since the beginning.

    Here is a test of the CV axle on the right side, which produced a slight clunking noise that may be worth noting.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/YP0QfRysN-U
     
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    Regular, landscape-oriented, YouTube videos post fine.
     
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    Do you get the same end-play on the other side axle? Is the wobble on the side with the end-play?
     
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    Hello Air_Boss

    I do not get that play on the passenger side axle.
    The Wobble appears to be coming from passenger side. Also I can feel wobble at same rate when turning left but not so much right.
     
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    Turning left loads the right suspension, and vice versa.

    Any play when in neutral and turning the passenger side CV joint (not the axle)?
     
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    Hope I did this right. Here is a video when in Neutral and turning steering wheel. Hope you can hear noises:


    Also when steering wheel been turned, circles on the picture is top of the struts, it moves up and down depending which direction you turn. I am guessing that is normal behavior.
     
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    I meant play in the CV joints.
     
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    So I lifted prius again, attempted to make any movement with CV axle to look for any clicking or movement and nothing concerning. Except driver side CV axle just has a little play in and out but not up and down. Both boots for outer tie rods are broken but any other boots are find.

    Here is pic of driver side:
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    and here passenger's side:

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    Does your steering wobble vary with your car's speed?

    Is it more prominent when you accelerate?

    Is it more prominent when you brake?

    Is it more prominent when you turn right, or left, accelerate on a hard left turn, or hard right turn?

    Jack up the front end and try this (side to side as well as up and down). If you can wiggle it, see what's loose.It could also be a bearing too.

     
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    Greetings Danno5060.

    Got answers below:

    Does your steering wobble vary with your car's speed? from 0 to 30mph and after that it stops but when I go to 69 it shakes like balance is off.
    Is it more prominent when you accelerate? yes up to 30mph and it stops gradually
    Is it more prominent when you brake? no
    Is it more prominent when you turn right, or left, accelerate on a hard left turn, or hard right turn? When I turn left it seems more .
     
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    You’re looking for CV joint rotational play, or ‘stickiness’ in its articulation, not end-play.
     
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    I was looking for more of a direct relationship between your wobble and the speed, and not that it happens within speed ranges. Do slight changes in the car's speed result in slight changes in the frequency of the wobble?

    Looking at the above interactions, it sort of (I make no guarantees) that it may be CV joint related.

    One other thing to eliminate is the wheel/tires. Rotate the wheels/tires front to back and back to front. Does that have an effect. Rotate from left to right and right to left. Does that change anything? Did you hit a major bump, curb recently?
     
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    tire balance, alignment, ball joints, shaybar links, tie rod, loose rack,
    did I miss any of the obvious?