Getting ready for my first oil change on this Gen 3 - I have questions

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  1. VFerdman

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    I apologize in advance if this is a repeat. If there is a good already existing thread I did not find, please refer me.

    This is a new to me Gen 3 (2011 with 125K miles) and my other Toyota cars use a spin-on can filters, which I buy in bulk by the case (genuine Toyota ends up costing around $5/each).

    My questions.
    1. What is the best tool to undo the filter cover?
    2. Is it reasonable to convert to the spin-on style? (I'd rather have one filter and one tool for all my cars)
    3. Is Genuine Toyota filter a good enough option for replacement? (I believe they sell them at Walmart now
    Any other suggestion/ideas are welcome. I already am planning on doing 5K intervals and this car has been on that schedule by previous owner, according to records.

    Thank you in advance. It's very cold outside now where I live and I am just preparing for this, waiting for a warm period when my hands can work outside.
     
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    The auto stores, amazone, ebay, all have the proper oil filter tool.
    DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN the cap!

    You can purchase a converter kit, it's over $100.00.

    OEM filters are always the best option.
    I was looking at the toyota filter on walfarts web page earlier.
    They cost less at Toyota.
    If you're a veteran, they give you a 10% discount.


     
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    Thank you. Yes, walfart's prices are slightly higher than online dealer. But it's convenience, I suppose. I get my Mobile 1 oil there (some of the best prices on that at big W), so I can get my first cartridge filter there. I want to see how much I hate dealing with the cartridge vs. spin-on. I buy Toyota spin-ons by the case since my son drives a Matrix, which I maintain for him. So stocking one type of filter is very tempting. I get filters on eBay by the case and they end up costing under $6/each. This is why I am posting this thread. I'd like to know, mong other things, how folks like their conversion to spin-on. Is it worth it? Is it better? If I convert this Gen 3, I will have three Toyotas using the same filter. That is tempting.
     
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    I picked up one of these to handle the plastic cover, and so far it's worked perfectly.

    Performance Tool Canister Type Filter Wrench: Fits Toyota Oil Filters W54120 - Advance Auto Parts

    I've been using Mobile 1 filters, along with Mobile 1 synthetic oil. I'd have no problems putting on one of the OEM filters either. I wouldn't put on one of the auto parts store brand filters, or a budget brand.

    My other Prii have the spin-on type oil filter, and I can understand the desire to use the good old standard oil filter type. It also bugs me that the cartridge costs as much as the full spin on filter when the are clearly less materials and labor that goes into making one. I think that part is a ripoff.

    That being said (and I know that I'm going against the grain of everyone who's converted their cars to spin-on filters - it's my car and I'll do the repairs the way I do, It's your car and you do you too. I'm not saying I'm right all the time, but I do have a different point of view) there is one advantage to the cartridge oil filters that nobody seems to talk about. When I got my new to me 2019 Prime, the first thing I did when I got it home was to change the oil. Even though it looked like the oil had recently been changed, I wanted to get a known oil type into the system. I tried to dissect the oil filter to see what, if any debris I could see in the filter, but by the time I got the filter out of the metal case, I'd generated some metal debris on my own. With a cartridge-type filter, you can inspect what it's been filtering out when you change your oil.

    Hope this helps. It's up to you to figure out what you want to do, it's your car.
     
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    Underscoring not to over-tighten the plastic cap. I cracked mine.
     
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    Toyota sells them in a 10 pack. And you KNOW the are real filters.
    When you buy them from ebay or amazon, you are likely getting the cheap chinese copy.

    How long does it take to drive 5000 miles? 6 months? A year? So figure how often you will
    be changing the oil.

     
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    For your questions:

    1 and 2. Not sure if it's "best", but I bought my oil filter socket around 1990, for changing filter on a Honda motorcycle. At the time Honda was using a larger oil filter for their cars, but have since adopted that motorcycle filter size. It's heavy stamped steel, a perfect fit, and apparently indistructable. Honda dealership parts departments can (obviously) order it in, and it looks to be available on Amazon as well. I believe the current part no is 07AAA-PLCA100. It works on either the stock filter housing, or the spin-on, if you do the conversion (they're the same size).

    See the oil change link in my signature (if on a phone turn it landscape to see signatures); it has info on the oil filter conversion as well as oil change tips.

    3. All I've ever used is the Toyota filter, seems fine. Good for "paper trail" too, to buy through a dealership parts department.

    Other suggestions/ideas:

    1. Maybe OCD, but I take the full engine bay under panel off, at each oil change. In my case it's necessity, since installing low-mounted oil catch cans (most practical access is from under the car), but that's all I've ever done. Well, apart from the first oil change, when I followed YouTube guidance to just bend back the flap. The near total lack of give in the flap's "hinge" was alarming, so from then on I took the whole thing off.

    Other'n that yeah read that oil change link, lots of tips.
     
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    Two automotive items I NEVER buy on-line....spark plugs and "Toyota" oil filters. They are almost, always cheap knockoffs made in China. (They even copy the Toyota logo to make them look legit but are junk.) I, also, buy filters at Walmart when they have them! (I keep a stash so when it's oil change day I can get right at it.)
    Great job taking care of your Toyota! I did convert my wife's 2017 Prius 2 from the cartridge to the spin-in oil filter and haven't had any leaks or issues. I got all the parts on Amayama for about $60 American so had to wait about a month to get them in. (My shipment was from the Middle East.) You do have to get the car on jacks and remove the right/front wheel in order to get in there good.
     
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    That is a 1/2 inch breaker bar version, you can find the 3/8 inch breaker bar one.
    Check autozone..... Napa.... Or buy the little adapter.
    You'll likely only need the 1/2 inchbreaker bar to loosen it because the last person
    probably over tightened it. Like the dealer or independent shops.

     
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    I'll get hate for this, but I felt fine stretching my Gen 3 oil changes by double or triple the interval.
    Full synthetic, and the gas engine was only running part of the time anyway. At any rate, I saw no detrimental effects from doing so.
     
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    I also like that I'm just plain throwing less stuff away every time.

    I haven't been that worried about the cap on mine, given that (except for the first time getting it loose—that was a bear), I know the last person to tighten it was me.
     
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    You're right there, There's also the equivalent of a hex nut on the back too, so you could probably use the socket. I've always used the 3/8 to 1/2 adapter - which gets the ratchet with just the right amount of extension.

    I've also got one of these, but I haven't tried it on the Gen 3 Prius.

    Lisle Oil Filter Wrench 3/8 Inch Drive 63600 | O'Reilly Auto Parts

    Come to think of it, I've also had to use it to tighten the cover too. The O ring needs just a little more to get compressed into place than I've got laying on my back with my arm up the oil-change door. (With the spin-on filters, my rule has always been tool to loosen, hand-tighten only. The Lisle wrench would probably work fine to remove it, but since it only grips when you loosen the oil filter, it wouldn't be much help to get it put back in place.
     
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    I have one of those also. Used it many times! And it works great!
    But I've only used the correct tool for the one on the Prius.
    I had to use my 1/2 inch 2 foot long breaker bar, and bounce it with my foot and hoped
    the car didn't fall off the jack stand!!!
    I had to do it several times to get it loose enough to ratchet off.
    Now I use a 6inch 3/8 ratched and just snug it up. And that clip just fits to keep it from
    backing off. It's still hard to unscrew it, but I can use my 3/8 breaker bar to loosen it and
    then use the 6 inch ratchet.

     
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    So I was near the big W today and had a minute, so I went in and purchased a genuine Toyota filter 04152-YZZA6 and a 5qt jug of 0W20 Mobil 1 "Hybrid" flavor. Never tried that before, but I am putting it into a hybrid, so why not? The filter set me back $7.change. I only bought one because the car is due and I do not feel like experimenting in this weather. I will decide in the warmer season if I want to switch to a spin-on filter. I already have a wrench for the Toyota spin-on and I think I've read that it should fit the cartridge cover. If not, I'll get the appropriate one then. So now it's in the low 40's here in New England and I may be able to do an oil change. One good thing is in my almost 5K mile period of owning this 2011 gen 3 the oil level has not moved at all! I am very happy about that. It's almost at 125K miles. I'll report on how my oil change experience was.

    Thank you again for all the support!
     
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    It does.
     
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    Well done! Any oil of 0w-20 at Walmart and Prius filter will be fine. Don’t worry about spin on conversion, those are for people with 3 car garages and have time space and money to do that. I’m on 240,000 mi with stock media filter replacement only. 0w-20 works year round, your temps will play nice with the oil weight, hope you get another 125,000 miles more!
     
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    Seems I'm the only one who advocates for changing the plastic oil filter housing, that swells with exposure to heat and oil, making it difficult to take off, especially if it is overtightened, which we all know will never happen at the dealer (insert heavy sarcasm emoji) to an aluminum housing, that has a positive stop and can never be over-tightened.

    15620-40030 Oil Filter Housing Cap Assembly For Toyota Yaris Corolla Scion IQ | eBay

    It is less than the spin on conversion, you will need to swap the screw in end plug from your plastic housing onto your new aluminum housing though, as this one doesn't include one.

    I have installed these on two Corollas and one Prius with no problems.

    FYI, have you considered a Fumoto quick oil change valve?

    Edit: I know the listing doesn't list the Prius as compatible, but all of the other vehicles listed use the same plastic cartridge filter housing as the Prius 1.8L engine. It WILL fit.

    Screenshot_20250128_011343_eBay.jpg

    SM-G781V ?
     
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    364,600 miles and still have the original plastic oil filter housing….
     
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    I’ve got mine too, albeit dangling on some twine in my extension cord rack. I appreciate the spin-on filters put additional stuff in the recycle stream, but spin-on makes oil changes a lot simpler, and more fool proof. Components for the conversion were about $100 CDN, with shipping, through Amayama.
     
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    I have completed my first oil change on this 2011 Gen 3. It was not at all bad. Several things of note.

    1. Plastic panel covering the oil filter housing and drain plug were missing on my car. Good riddance!
    2. Previous mechanic (Toyota dealer in NY state) did a great job NOT over tightening the drain plug and using an appropriate crush washer
    3. My oil filter wrench did fit onto the plastic housing, but kept camming out under torque. I had to resort to light hammer taps with a shop-made punch tool to loosen up the housing. It didn't take much persuasion as the housing was also tightened properly and not too much. I may have to think about that $20 aluminum housing suggested above. It does sound good.
    4. The engine took 4+ quarts of oil, which is more than my Gen 2 ever takes.
    5. resetting the oil change reminder took a quick YT search, but is as trivial as Gen 2, only different button.
    6. I am not in a big hurry to convert to spin-on. This cartridge change did not annoy me at all. More messy, yes, but not so much as to abandon it.

    My main motivation for spin-on conversion is two other Toyotas that use them. I buy those spin-ons by the case and would love to NOT have to stock another type of filter.