Prius Gen 2: DTCs P0A92-261 and P0A7A-325 / how to proceed?

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  1. priusb78

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    Hello, dear P2 experts!

    A Prius Gen 2, FL, model year 2008 with 160,000 mi is showing error codes P0A92-261 and P0A7A-325.

    I'd like to narrow down whether the problem lies in the inverter or the transaxle unit.

    After clearing the DTCs, the Prius can be switched to "Ready" mode normally, the ICE starts and charges the HV battery until it shuts down after a warm-up phase.

    Switching to EV mode (available in EU models) works, and driving in EV mode is completely normal.

    Without EV mode, the Prius starts electrically as normal. If I give it more gas, the ICE kicks in and accelerates normally with increasing ICE rpm and electric assist. After about 10-20 yards of driving, there is a noticeable jerk, and the warning lights for the red triangle, VSC, and yellow engine symbol come on. The ICE continues to run at a slightly increased speed, but pressing the accelerator pedal has no effect.

    After stopping and clearing the DTCs, the exact same behavior can be reproduced.

    With the DTCs cleared and then letting the car run in Ready mode for 15 minutes (heating request at max. temp), the DTC P0A92-261 appeared again without driving. Clearing the error didn't help anymore, the error came back immediately. After the driving tests and the idle run, the transaxle unit and the electric motors were certainly at a higher temperature. So there could also be a temperature dependency involved.

    Does anyone have experience with these DTCs?

    What do you think?

    I find it interesting that everything seems to work for a certain amount of time (warm-up phase, EV mode, charging HV battery, accelerating with ICE and electric motor), but then this "jerk" occurs. What exactly could be the cause of that? How would you proceed in further analysis?

    If possible I would like to identify the defect component (e.g. transaxle or inverter) before I decide on replacing any of them.

    Thanks, Thorsten
     
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    You obviously have a capable scanner that can get codes and subcodes so I would think you would be able to look at freeze frame data from the same capable scanner which will help maybe narrow some things down but these are very common codes and they happen all the time and there should be about 2,000 pages here on the chat with the same basic business going on It's like every other day somebody comes with very similar codes and subcodes so this is rehashed out and people point to thousands of posts and it's kind of aggravating but I guess it's hard to get all the stuff rounded up and put in one place or whatever it is you do. They'll be folks along here any second that'll throw up some diagrams of the 261 code subcode and what it means and where you need to be looking and so on than with a test meter you can go looking way deeper should you like and see all kinds of things or not but yes this happens all the time and gets posted right here usually if you search the code and subcode you'll be inundated with reading for days been going on now about 17 years or so it seems like so there's a lot of posts and there's a lot of post that go nowhere people come and ask the question get a thread started realized they left something unplugged in the thread dies there's a lot of that and good luck.
     
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    Thanks! Yes, I use Techstream for all the readings and have the Toyota manuals. Maybe I'll do some of the resistance measurings of MG1.
     
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    If you have all those manuals then you will have a very lengthy troubleshooting process for the motor generators systems but at least you have it
     
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    Yes, that's what I expect, but hoped to shorten a bit!
     
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    Not really . Look at all the checks etc usually this happens and trans is a coming out . Then the real fun begins . To me too many trans sitting all over country. Cannot give away. I've only read of these issues . Have had up to five at one time here all issues pretty much never the MG trans issue. But I've saved three trans running fine just in case.
     
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    Interesting findings!

    As I wrote above:
    "I find it interesting that everything seems to work for a certain amount of time (warm-up phase, EV mode, charging HV battery, accelerating with ICE and electric motor), but then this "jerk" occurs. What exactly could be the cause of that? How would you proceed in further analysis?"

    Could the trans (or one of the MGs) be broken if it works fine for a short while running in EV mode and together with ICE until the "jerk" comes?
     
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    Breaking down of the windings etc on m/g due to incorrect trans fluid. Similar to what happens to the air conditioning compressor with the wrong oil in it comes to mind anyway.
     
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    The transmission fluid has never been changed at this car. It was always in service at the Toyota dealer. In Germany the service instructions don't ask for a change. They call it a 'lifetime filling' - which I don't believe and change it regularly at my Prius!
     
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    Then all the tests and elimination will narrow it down to something maybe a computer who knows there should be codes for all of this but you never know