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i detest crypto too, and thought for sure the fed would nip it in the bud. i hate how much electricity they are using to make it.

 

'Nostalgic' does not mean 'Identical to'.

A 'nostalgic' product attempts to make a similar emotional connection/feeling. I think the new bus does an ok job at that, but not a great one.

I'm happy to see more products from Toyota on the drawing board. Looking forward to seeing them on car lots.
I would also LOVE to see smaller sedans, but no one is really pushing those in the USA..

 

They're not making similar emotional connections/feelings in me all that much. But it's nice that they tried.

When you know every last nut and bolt and where they all go in a real VW Bus or Toyota Previa, anything else just seems like a cartoon drawing.

So am I. I like diversity and I like the idea of things like an EV minivan from Toyota.

I also would LOVE to see smaller sedans, hatchbacks and true station wagons (don't call a crossover a wagon). I'd like to see a car for each kind of person, cheap, expensive, big, small, fast, slow, futuristic, classic, etc.

 

sales, Marketing, Propaganda. et al. is part of life in the big city. Many shoot the big buck using them.

 

If thinking crypto mining uses a ton of watts, do some investigation into data center resources usage. Cloud and AI. I think you'll be some watt surprised, that is if they even publish that data these days.

One interesting article I'd read a few years ago was about a chinese submerged data center. Submerged to reduce cooling costs, from what I'd gathered.

A more recent youtude I've watched gave a tour of and IBM newer data center in Germany showing all it redundancies, ambient environmental controls ( including emergency fire suppression systems ) , data storage, etc. for one of that countries grocery conglomerates, or so the story goes .....

Five or more years ago a data center research group reported in projected data center growth in sq ft of data center space usage, in the millions of sq. ft. and growth rate was exponential.

 

Yeah well - the DARPA facility could run ½ of California
Lol
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I suspect the cost of making a bit coin has an exponentially increasing curve.The early bit coins were "low hanging fruit" but as the population of bit coins increases, finding new ones becomes computationally expensive.

Bob Wilson

 

I live in a pretty big city. It even has 6 stoplights and a Walmart. It takes me a whole 40 minutes to walk from one end of town to the other. Or about 10 minutes if I drive.

I don't like any of it. AI sounds great and all, but at what cost.

And cloud storage is just a way to get people to pay more money through subscription fees. It's much more efficient to just put the chips on your device and not send the data across half the world and back all the time. You can even turn your personal device off when not in use. You can't do that with cloud storage.

 

Many big data companies have had their own block chain implementations running before Satoshi Nakamoto released the bit coin implementation into the wild, much like how open AI became a thing.
Just one reason it's expensive to keep looking for crytographic hash matches.

Take a look at the bottom of this page for many of those big data players ( while looking try to keep in mind that the linked Folding@Home implementation is not exactly looking for the same product(s) as it used to be looking for, back when initially introduced and anyone could keep track of their own folding account and results )
https://foldingathome.org/category/cancer/epigenetics

by the way the 2024 Nobel was awarded to a team working on protein folding. Sorta related on a basic level.

 

Over ½ a decade before you found pc, some of us were folding

Anyone out there Folding@Home? | PriusChat
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just a thought...Maybe Folding at home is a huge waste of electricity since it is likely using older machines that perform fewer flops per watt compared to a highly tuned datacenter system. But when the power is spread around to lots of homes it doesn't get counted anywhere.
I could be wrong on this.
Maybe if people just did it during heating season it would help heat their houses with the waste heat.

But at least FAH is doing a computation that (I guess) is useful. Whereas bitcoin mining is a near total waste IMO. Doing money xfers via Paypal or Visa/MC is about 0.3 Wh per transaction while bitcoin is about 1000 kwh. About 3 million times as much
(source: MS co-pilot...probably 10x more energy than a google search but a direct answer)

Mike

 

Likely true
When we were folding - we were able - due to PV solar installed to offset obscene electricity prices in socal, as well as for free charging. So use for folding was just an added benefit.

 

Who knows what will happen. But if Chinese cars keep being produced at such high volumes and low prices, putting up tariffs might be more like trying to stop a flood from a broken reservoir with a beaver dam.

I guess we'll have to see to find out.

 

Back when Windows needed 18 minutes to boot up, people were going to some pretty extreme lengths to justify leaving their computers on all the time.

"Oh, but we're not wasting the power... no! We're folding! That's different."

 

Oh the irony of greater efficiency ... no longer necessary for a PC to run through POST .... rather hibernate or sleep. And thank goodness we've got these efficient monitors because all of the CRT's went to the landfill

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If only the "idle loop" would mine bitcoins.

Bob Wilson

 

Volvo, Alfa x2, VW x2, Porsche x 3, BMW, Nissan, Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, Toyota x 3, Honda x 2. Guess I have no brand loyalty. But owning an oddball car was easier back in the day when they were pretty much the same and you could find a mechanic everywhere and fix it yourself was easier. Once electronics became the controlling force and service manuals were no longer purchasable I stick with the ones that are liable to be here with the resources to fix my car 8 years after purchase.

My next would be an EV if I were living in a house for the next 8 years but I'm planning to go to a CCC in the next two and they don't yet have chargers. Plus we may downsize to one car them.

So I follow the advances enviously. Read all the PR about 1000 mile range, 10 minute charging and 12 year life and will believe it when I can buy it.

Do I buy the autonomous or taxi hype? No, not yet. But in 3-4 years will look again.

 

When I had a web page I had a link to seti@home on it and ran the app when my (486 sx (4 upgraded processor)) tandy sensation, machine was on.
Sadly, the program has shut it's doors recently. But for those that are into folding there are many other options available to get a desktop, server or farm onto a distributed network and adding to the combined cpu cycles of a folding or block chain implementation.
here's one example that was the seti@home host:

BOINC

deep mind is another that comes to mind pun unintended.

 

If you didn't use the solar for folding where would it have gone?
Probably back to the grid and MAYBE it would have helped to decrease imported power from coal

From google AI

California imports more electricity than any other state. It's connected to the Western Interconnection, which includes transmission lines that bring power from other states:
Path 27
A 2.4 GW HVDC line from Utah that brings coal-generated electricity to Los Angeles
Path 46
A line from the Southeast that brings up to 10.6 GW of electricity from Nevada and Arizona​

Mike