I knew eventually my 2019 Model 3 would reach "End of Life" which means no further downloads with better vehicle software. New, I payed $1,200 extra for AutoPilot and later, $6,000 for Full Self Driving. But it seems Tesla is focusing on HW 4 development with HW 3 being later 'adapted': Bob Wilson
We had similar experience in the Model X w/ hardware II requiring faster processors / better UI, etc. Sure, they could upgrade it, and would eventually ... even for free, if we'd purchased FSD ... but the wait / priority left a bad taste.
I don't know why someone hasn't sued Tesla for that autopilot. If someone bought the autopilot, it was supposed to become fully self-driving when that became available. But in the meantime, if the car was wrecked, sold, or something else happened, then the full self-driving was never delivered — even though the customer paid for it. It seems like false advertising or a case of not being able to deliver what the customer paid for. In those cases, the customer should be able to transfer their already paid-for, but not delivered self-driving to their next Tesla.
Maybe if you had read all the boilerplate in the contract ..... & listened to the spiel they give you when you buy it .... your lack of understanding would be mitigated. Even so, there have been many many people who sue ... even when they break their neck for standing on a $49 chair as a ladder - even though they weigh 350Lbs. IE people sue all the time .... every parent that's stupid-careless ... not watching their infant play with a plastic grocery bag, have never even conceptualized that their infant is about to suffocate ..... despite every plastic grocery bag &/or bucket with warnings spelled out, often in multiple languages. We are an overly litigious Society. Thanks for lawsuit suggestion ... enabling the same behavior as many in the nation. .
My "lack of understanding", and a bunch of legal fine print in the contract doesn't mean that Tesla hasn't charged, and continues to sell many of its customers for a product that it hasn't then, and now won't be able to deliver on. This is a product that Tesla has been saying is right around the corner - for a decade now. It's still false advertising, and I understand that part perfectly.
In engineering we call this ‘managing user expectations.’ So I’ve owned my Model 3 and paid $1,200 extra for Autopilot since March 26, 2019. In October 2019, I paid $6,000 for Full Self Driving. On this trip, I used both which fully met my expectations. But then I’m a retired engineer and understand such things. Teslas, Autoplot, and FSD are not for everyone but for me, they have been brilliant. They would probably kill you. Bob Wilson
If you paid for FSD, according to Musk, you should get a free upgrade once and if it is needed. Will you still have your 2019 Model 3 by then? That's another story...
I appreciate the joke but I've always been a self-maintenance guy. I'm entertained by the technical challenges, enjoy the tools, and know who to blame for the occasional cockup: Bob Wilson
When people buy another Tesla, I believe the case is they will allow you to transfer it to a new vehicle.
They have. Tesla owner wins ~$10k settlement over Tesla's false self-driving claims | Electrek https://www.reuters.com/legal/tesla-must-face-vehicle-owners-lawsuit-over-self-driving-claims-2024-05-15/
Interesting that both of those autopilot suits were somewhat a small claims "win". Somewhat comforting that it wasn't going to be a read about the system failing and leading to injury or worse.
On the first article, I stopped reading at: A Tesla owner in the UK ... I truly don't understand the various court decision in the UK. Dismissing the Tesla vs Top Gear defamation being highest on my list. The second article has some interesting aspects: U.S. District Judge Rita Lin in San Francisco said owners could pursue negligence and fraud-based claims, to the extent they relied on Tesla's representations regarding vehicles' hardware and ability to drive coast-to-coast across the U.S. Without ruling on the merits, Lin said that "if Tesla meant to convey that its hardware was sufficient to reach high or full automation, the plainly alleges sufficient falsity." ... The case was led by Thomas LoSavio, a retired California lawyer who said he paid an $8,000 premium in 2017 for Full Self-Driving capabilities on a Tesla Model S, believing it would make driving safer if his reflexes deteriorated as he aged. ... The case is In re Tesla Advanced Driver Assistance Systems Litigation, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, No. 22-05240. The first point suggests a legal definition of full self driving, "ability to drive coast-to-coast across the U.S." Having just completed a 2,500 mile trip Huntsville-to-Port Isabel-to Huntsville, I believe it can with a reasonable certainty. Since I have unvisited (aka. pestered) relatives In Washington State, I believe the current release of Full Self Driving can accomplish the task. Even with one significant map error, the car knew what to do. Another point I share is "make driving safer if his reflexes deteriorated as he aged." The second month of driving with just Autopilot, it saved me, my wife, and our dog when I suffered micro-sleep events approaching Decatur returning from Coffeyville, KS. That was five years ago come April. But it was also a primary reason for buying a 2019 Tesla Model 3 Std Rng Plus with $1,200 for AutoPilot. I will be following "U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, No. 22-05240" and possibly offering a 'friend of the court' submission. Perhaps a time-lapse video of driving from coast-to-coast. If you’re looking to get to your destination quickly, you’ll want to take Interstate 10 — the shortest cross-country drive at 2,460 miles from east coast to west coast, taking you from Jacksonville, FL to Santa Monica, CA. For grins, I plotted this course: I suspect to take judicial notice, it would need to be the same age, make, and model of Tesla as the plaintiff. Ideally, the same car with an independent driver ... Ah HA! The perfect job for Wayne Gerdes! Bob Wilson
Seems to be an on again, off again sort of thing. I was still running on when Musk said it doesn't work that way a few years ago.
Yes it's a pisser for many owners. Same with pricing. You drop it several thousand dollars and the prior owners freak. New owners love it.
same thing happened with the prius and other cars when they don't sell. idk why people think it's a tesla thing
The Tesla two seater may replace either the 2017 BMW i3-REx or 2019 Model 3 Std Rng Plus. Key requirements: Range long enough for efficient cross country travel. Full Self Driving - (transfer from trade-in Model 3?) Bob Wilson
