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  1. asjoseph

    asjoseph Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile

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    ... 30 years ago could you have imagined, Toyota enterprise management, putting themselves in the awkward position, arbitrarily voiding warrantees, on Subaru engines?

    No easy task, pulling engines on Subaru's BRZ:

    Explaining the Toyota Reliability 'Crisis'

    30 years ago could you imagine Toyota, issuing wholesale Ford-like recalls, on slapdash quality trucks it now builds, in -- Mexico? (!!)

    What kind of idiot spends a cool US$50k, on a 3-pot Corolla? Or US$60K, on a rebadged BMW?


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    asjoseph Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile

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    ps - ... neighbor across the street with a 2018 Camry hybrid, has to bail water out of her trunk, on rainy days -
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Koreans call Japanese 'The Lazy Asians.'

    TIFWIW.

    I, for one, was never a big fan of Toyotas' corporate culture ESPECIALLY 30 years ago.
    My opinion hasn't changed much over the years.

    Toyota's cars HAVE.
     
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    every economy has a time horizon. why do we work hard, to die young, or enjoy the fruits of our labor?
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    All things in moderation.
    If you don't work?

    You will die younger.
     
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    there's something to be said for that too
     
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    asjoseph Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile

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    ... never-never-never --- buy a vehicle, coachwork, drivetrain, chassis and power-plant, manufactured, designed and engineered, by a third party (e.g., key emphasis on the word, never):

    There’s Now a Class Action Lawsuit Over Toyota GR86, Subaru BRZ Engine Failures

    Caught, red handed, bottom end of the mainstream chain of commerce, Toyota is as obliged to honor warranties, as is Subaru. Not a stretch of the imagination, to envision Toyota execs and Subaru people, finger-pointing, bickering over who has to pay.

    Things are so bad at Toyota, they no longer know how to build sports cars.


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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    They knew how to build sports cars?!?!

    Toyota??? :ROFLMAO::LOL::rolleyes:
    Freekin WHEN?!?!
     
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    asjoseph Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile

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    ... by all means, have a look-see, if 'n when you find time:

    1996 supra turbo at DuckDuckGo


    Samuel, '88 MR2 Supercharged -
     
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    ... for your amusement & merriment:



    The Supra getting loose; the Escort, chuffing pedal to the metal, puffing on drop throttle.


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    Yep.
    That's what I thought.

    Supra???
    THAT's What you brought????
    50-greatest-one-hit-wonders-of-all-time
    Where does Toyota rank?

    Mazda would have been MY pick.
    Perhaps a Subbie if you want something in the 'controversary column.'

    Europeans and Americans have always had an LA-NYC sort of rivalry with sports cars AND BOTH are capable of producing fine examples of their respective interpretations of this genre.

    I prefer the American interpretation due to my disadvantages of being born where roads are very long, very wide, and mostly pretty straight.
    The formula is pretty straightforward.
    Displacement.
    RWD.
    Point-and-shoot steering.

    The Japanese are fine engineers.
    Probably the world's best.....but they can only produce a fantastically realistic photocopy of the original in THIS particular genre - which is a SHAME.

    They're actually pretty GOOD, artistically.
     
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    ... Mazda engineered a better Elan, than Lotus:

    mazda miata '89 at DuckDuckGo

    Datsun did up a better XKE, than the Jaguar people could:

    1970 240z at DuckDuckGo

    Toyota engineered a better 308, than Ferrari (e.g., de tuned Formula Atlantic racing mill, full monocoque, the most adjustable suspension in Toyota history; when Toyota debuted its MR2, Ferrari still did not know how to forge a monocoque):

    1984 mr2 at DuckDuckGo

    Toyota designed and engineered a better DB5, than Aston-Martin ever could (e.g., you'll see one on the old Fuji Circuit in the film, "... You Only Live Twice"):

    2000 gt toyota at DuckDuckGo

    Were I in the market for a performance vehicle? Certainly wouldn't be anything, from Japan -


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