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2017 Prime Engine didn’t start when EV depleated

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Whoami, Nov 9, 2024.

  1. Whoami

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    I was driving today and depleted the EV battery almost completely on my drive home. The car suddenly wouldn’t accelerate, much like the Gen 2 would go into limp mode when the gas was just about empty. I was on the highway and the car was quickly slowing from 80 to 50 as I was planning to pull over. Just as I was nearly off the road, the engine finally kicked in. The weird thing is that the hybrid battery meter was almost completely empty instead of the the HV mark where the battery would usually switch the engine on automatically. The episode was no longer than 30 seconds and probably closer to 15z

    Has anyone seen this? The car didn’t throw any errors or codes- it’s like it forgot to turn on the engine. I’ve had the car for 3 years and this has never happened. I am at 179k miles. The last service I got was an oil change a week ago, but I double checked the oil level is right just in case. The weather today was in the 80s. Last long drive was last night for 60 miles with a full tank of gas with no issues.
     
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    Oh, I also replaced the battery about a year ago. I know it is unlikely to be the 12v, but I have learned time and time again that a bad 12v can cause a whole slew of odd behavior.
     
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    Sounds like a random glitch... Disconnecting the 12v for a few minutes will reset the whole system, which might be worth a shot. Also keeping an inexpensive OBD2 reader in your glove box so you can monitor battery health in real time on your phone with Dr. Prius app would be wise if it happens again. It also can be the difference between making it to wherever you're going on time or waiting for a tow truck.
     
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    I also drive a 2017 Prime.

    I am fortunate, we have a local mechanic that we trust. I would take it to him, and describe the behavior [failure of ICE to start].
     
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    It's unlikely that the 12V battery had anything to do with this issue, since the car was in ready mode when this issue occurred. Once the car's in Ready mode, the DC-DC convert is suppose to take over - supplying power for all 12V electronics in the car. You may have an issue with the DC-DC converter but I'm pretty sure the ECU would throw a code for that issue.
    The dealership scan tool can do a deep dive into what happened, it all depends on the skill level of the Toyota technician.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Automobile engineers try to think of every possible malfunction and have onboard diagnostics that trigger the codes. But there is always the possibility that some malfunction could happen for which no code is to be set.
     
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    Are you sure the engine did not start up. Because what you describe is normal behaviour if you were going 80 at the end of the EV range. It's normal for the engine to kick in and run in a start up mode that feels like limp mode, definitely not enough power to keep going at 80mph. The engine takes those seconds to start and get up to normal conditions and limit power to protect itself. In a situation like that(80mph) it is better to switch into Hybrid mode before the EV battery is depleted to give the engine time to start up and get to temperature. Easiest way to do that is to floor the accelerator for a second when you see the EV battery is almost depleted (5% or so) which will start the engine while the car continues using the EV battery and keeps maintaining speed.
     
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    That would be a serious design flaw, and a danger to everyone on the road
     
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    Not much different than running out of gas on the freeway. I have had that experience, you just slow down and get off the road.
     
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    Not the design engineers fault
     
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    Watching data from ODB-II, that's easy to confirm. A cold start on the highway will deplete the HV reserve really fast, bringing you down to what equates to a limp mode temporarily.
     
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    While I'm thankful I haven't had to do it more than a handful of times, I am equally thankful that I learned how to gracefully depart traffic in the event of breakdown.

    I wish more people knew how, or got some kind of coverage in drivers' ed courses.
     
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    That's another plus of running Hybrid Assistant. You see the engine's RPM on screen. I don't know why Toyota didn't think it would be useful to have.
     
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    I am sure it wasn’t normal behavior. Usually, when it hits the bottom of the EV range, the car shudders a little and you feel a brief power loss. This time the HV battery meter was almost zero and ICE hadn’t kicked on yet. It should have kicked on when EV range was depleated.

    I tried releasing the gas and pressing it again to see if it would engage the ICE and got nothing. It didn’t get down to the actual limp mode speed (25) before the engine kicked on. I was in the process of pulling to the shoulder when it suddenly kicked on around 45 mph. The rest of the drive (only another 3 miles) was normal.

    I haven’t had that behavior since, so I am hoping it was a one off, or maybe the battery level was miscalculated or something. I will check battery health with Dr Prius when I have time, but it doesn’t seem to be behaving like my gen II when that battery died.
     
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    It might have been fun to read the battery temps using DrPrius, when the engine didn't start right away after running the battery pack dry at 80mph with ambient temps around 80 F.
    On the other hand it might not have been much fun, waiting for the engine to warmup enough to pickup where the battery left off.
     
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    Toyota's approach with Prius has always been KISS. Like you said, there are ways of seeing that info. Here's a sample with Hybrid Assistant, a drive that has frequent engine on & off... perfect for this discussion:

     
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