Caution, the presenter offends my Southern sensibilities which curiously makes both cars seem better: I am not tempted but in the world of hybrids, fair enough. She does a good job covering the options for those in the market. Bob Wilson
i would never consider honda technology when it comes to hybrids, it is not time tested. i think most buyers feel that way
7 minutes and change in and I"m out. Especially after reading a few years ago on Toyota Corp. Japan that both Toy and Hon share a lot of their tech with each other. Yeah, and I have my own take on a lot of the differences and similarities.
yes - they share tech (or at least ownership / partnership) - as did/does honda GM .... Subaru toyo .... Volvo Geely .... GM Isuzu .... Mitsubishi Isuzu ... Mitsubishi Chrysler ... VW Lambo .... Etc. It's an incestuous undertaking - not to dissimilar from Aerospace Industries.
Don't forget Ford & Toyota.... The main difference between Toyota & Honda is that Honda sandwiched their electric motor between the engine and transmission. Removing the torque converter from the equation. Whereas Toyota integrated their electric motors into the transmission. Each system has their own pros and cons. By the way, Ford employs a similar system that Honda does. IMHO, Honda & Ford won't be able to match Toyota's mpg. The simple fact is that pushing power through 3 components vs 2 fully integrated components causes more looses in efficiency. Their gen1 Civic failed miserably because it was paired with a 1.2L or 1.3L engine pushing a larger heavier Civic. That small engine was fine in the 5-speed, smaller, lighter Civic. It was fun to drive and toss around curves - all that was gone in that new model. I test drove the gen3 EV system of Honda in an accord, before settling on buying my current Prime. While there was a lot of improvements, it was pretty gutless in Eco mode. The salesman tried to hide that by setting it up in sports mode; so no mileage benefits from the higher price. Just my two cents...
i bought the bolt over toyota because i was done with hybrids. honda insight was a nice experiment, but where did it lead? toyota has over 20 years of mostly hybrid success now in many different models with two plug ins. if the bz had been close to the bolt price, i would have run with it. idon't know anything about the honda tech, just what i have read, and their low commitment compared to toyota
enabling sub-titles and muting her voice works for me. Ugh, still can't hack it. Teeny, tiny 17" wheels?
Back when I was first considering the Prius I lurked on some Honda forums and they were rife with people having their drivetrain replaced due to issues, multiple times for some. I saw nobody happy with owning a Honda hybrid.
Wouldn't a more fair comparison have been Civic Hybrid cs Corolla Hybrid? Isn't the Prius larger than the Civic?
larger in what way? I'd guess the civic is heavier. And it's another comparison ad anyway. Who's thinking about being fair while promoting a service and I use the term service loose leaf / loosely. I got that comparison of words that sound kinda similar for the Don Henley song In the Garden of Allah. good seein ya postin again.
Before i got my 2017 Prius, I compared the possibility of carrying a crated dog. The Prius was definitely bigger than our 2008 Corolla. Now the Prius was totaled last month, I will be picking up a 2025 Camry XLe later this month. Al; Camrys are now hybrid. Thanks The ads here drove me away but I ca,e back to research what may be my last new car purchase..
Maybe it's just me but looking at the two corolla - camry, seem the cammy got smaller from last Gen and corolla got bigger again the last 3 or 4 gens. Don't know what others think or prefer. If I had my choice I'd get an Aqua. But I digress, again - poligies I've posted the link to Aqua japan a few times already. I think it's amazing ( sight unseen ) even with a new type of NiMH cells. Of course I'd be even more inclined if they'd put a plug in it too. I'm not surprised at all that Toyota didn't even bother shipping any states side.
Found this technical description of the e-CVT transmission: The Honda looks reasonable but without a plug and 75-100 mi EV range, I'm not interested. As a hybrid, the MPG will be the best it can ever be. But a PHEV taps into grid power with about 1/3d to 1/2 the cost per mile around town where most miles are driven: Bob Wilson
Yes. really small, but it gets something like 70 or 75 mpg, even without a plug. As long as everybody knows it's not gonna get that at 80 or 90 like more and more drivers are doin these days.
I know my son enjoys his RAV4 Prime. His normal round trip work commute is strictly EV but he easily drives additional Hybrid miles with no range anxiety. My new XLE is rated at 47 MPG due to added weight and larger wheels.
