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Overheating - No Codes - SOLVED - THANK YOU!!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Glen Marr, Nov 6, 2024 at 10:26 AM.

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  1. Glen Marr

    Glen Marr Junior Member

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    I randomly got the red triangle accompanied by the high temp symbol on the display screen. It intermittently cycles on and off. I immediately plugged my Autel OBD scanner and no codes were picked up (no check engine light on). I switched over to live data on the engine and it showed my coolant temp was cycling between about 210F to 250F. There is also intermittent cabin heat. I get a little heat at low speeds, when the coolant temp tends to be lower and no cabin heat at higher speeds when the coolant tends to be higher. I check to see if my inverter pump was working by taking the resevoir cap off; when idiling I can clearly see there is some circulation going on. I ordered a coolant control valve that I plan to try first, and also ordered a thermostat. Am I on the right track. Anyone have experience with this?
     
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    Both of those items thermostat and coolant control valve or a good idea The coolant control valve usually will be making some funny noises but I guess if it wasn't working at all it would be making no noise so there should be a code for the coolant control or the three-way valve but who knows Don't know anything about the car I mean could it be clogged somewhere not the inverter system we're talking about the main cooling system here for the ice engine inverter system seems to be working fine I wouldn't be worried with it this is for your engine heat etc You have intermittent heat sounds to me like maybe somebody changed the coolant and they didn't get it bled well but there's no mention of a coolant change or any of that here so it's hard to speculate really
     
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    Thank you for the feedback. I have an appointment next week for a coolant flush and replacement (and at the same time instaling the new thermostat). Additional info - I kind of ruled out the heater core, as I had that replaced just over a year ago as a result of some front end damage. Car is currently very close to 225k miles. I'd love to get her to 300K.
     
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    Radiator or heater core?? The radiator is located behind the grill - engine compartment, heater core is under the dash - inside the car.
     
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    Ahhhh, Okay. Did not know that. I thought they were the same. My thought right now is to start with the Coolant Control Valve. I will try to do that this weekend, and since I'm due for a coolant change anyway, I have a coolant flush and replace, as well as thermostat install scheduled for Tuesday next week. If that still doesn't fix the solution I guess heater core would be the next go to.
     
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    Have you check Radiator Fan (could be failing)? ... If you are getting warm/hot air on low speed could be a culprit. On low speed or traffic, fan should kick in to compensate for cooling. If it doesn't then can contribute to over heating. If you installed catalytic converter shield recently, that could be causing it as well. Had this issue on my 2009 prius, for some reason the heat coming from the converter gets trap inside the shield (design flow) and triggers false overheat/hightemp indicator for me (No code). This went away when I remove and replace with a different converter shield brand.
     
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    If the red triangle was still on when you used the Autel scanner to read the codes, the scanner is not good enough to read all the trouble codes in your Prius. Is the red triangle still on? Read the first post, and then skip down to post #37 in the linked thread for information on scan tools: https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/3246758

    As far as the engine overheating, the first thing to do is check the coolant level in the radiator (you remove the metal cap) and in the plastic overflow bottle. Low coolant level will cause overheating of the engine and no or low heat in the cabin.
     
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    Am I on the right track.
    No, not in my opinion. You're mixing up coolant circuits.

    I check to see if my inverter pump was working
    Your warning light is for the engine. The inverter pump is separate from the engine cooling circuit, and provides flow only for the inverter/electronics cooling circuit. The electric pump located next to the brake accumulator and master cylinder provides flow for the cabin heat, but rarely ever fails.

    There is also intermittent cabin heat. I get a little heat at low speeds, when the coolant temp tends to be lower and no cabin heat at higher speeds when the coolant tends to be higher.
    This clue is pretty important and usually means your coolant level is very low in the engine circuit. Check your radiator and overfow reservoir levels. Most likely it's pretty low. Not the white tank by the inverter, that's for the inverter circuit. Check the one at the front of the car.

    Look for leak evidence under the car or on the back side of the engine water pump pulley. If the correct coolant is in the car, leakage will leave pink residue.
     
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    When the mechanic replaces the control valve & thermostat, ask him to look for sludge in your cooling system and report back. Sludge would indicate that someone placed gasket sealer in your cooling system.

    Also keep and eye on both coolant bottles after the repair. If the system isn't properly 'burped' those levels will go down. Check them every fill-up for the next month or two. You don't want those coolant levels going to the bottom of the bottle.

    Hope this helps...
     
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    I would go ahead and replace the thermostat and make sure that there is a belt on your water pump and that it's not slipping and see what that does before I start ripping into the coolant control valve and all that if it's not making a noise or doing anything adverse You can also touch all the hoses that go to the coolant control valve when the car is at temperature and see what you have that way too. Then of course you can sit there while it's warming up and see what the different hoses do as it warms up It just sounds like literally you're low on coolant these things are a pain to feel You feel it with a trickle through the metal capped orifice and I mean it can take 20 minutes to put a cord in You pour a little that goes down get sucked into the mess you poured up to the top of the filler neck again glug glug glug and goes down you do it again you'll do this 15 18 times till it finally gets up to the top of the filler neck and stays right there at the hole where it hits the hose to go to the overflow tank and it should sit there for 5 6 minutes without moving If it does add more coolant once you get it up to the top of the filler neck and it stays there for like 4 minutes then you put the cap on Make sure the jug is filled to the white marks that you see in the very bottom of the filler neck when you look down it they should be pink colored with fluid and go for a drive I bet you're not overheating now
     
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    Yes, I'm getting hot air in the cabin at low speed, but not at high speed (above 45-50mph). When I have live data going for my OBD the coolant is also somewhat slow to get to the overheat warning. Typically 5 to 6 miles of highway speeds. I wasn't even considering the fan because I was thinking that it likely wouldn't overheat at highway speeds, but would overheat at low speeds if that were the case. In my instance it's the opposite. No catalytic converter shield installed.
     
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    Yep, fans kick on in city, stop n go traffic. If your traveling 60 mph down the highway, there's a 60 mph wind pushing through your radiator. You can check radiator shutters, if your car is so equipped. This also doesn't rule out sludge in your cooling system.

    FWIW; I've got a CAT shield on mine; other than the exhaust tunnel getting a bit warmer in city, stop-n-go traffic - nothing else is affected.
     
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    Considering this is happening at highway speeds I would focus on low coolant, the thermostat and the engine water pump.

    Check the coolant level now. Don’t drive it long at those engine temps or your problems will get much worse.

    I agree. The radiator fans are not needed at highway speeds.

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    It appears the primary engine cooling is very traditional, radiator, thermostat water pump, engine and back to radiator.

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    I would not do the water valve until the primary coolant system is checked and properly flushed. Flushing is tricky after a drain since you have to cycle the coolant heat storage system to get all the air out.

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    Thank you for this. Sometimes this simpilist solution is overlooked. I went and checked the level at the radiator cap following your comment and it is dry (nothing in the neck). I simply looked at the two other plastic resevoirs before and they looked good. I'm going to see how much it will take through the radiator next before it hits the overflow tube.

    My wife can't stand this car and would love for it to die. I'm hell bent on making this thing last for several more years.

    Will keep you posted on the solution.
     
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    So I think you and another poster may have gotten to the solution. The two plastic resevoirs look good, but I just checked under the metal radiator cap and it was dry. I'm about to see how much I can fill it with. Thank you very much for helping me keep my car going!
     
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    Thank you very much for this. I believe my fluids may be low. I initially checked my overflow and small plastic resevoir further back in the engine bay - both looked good. When I just looked under the metal radiator cap, the next was dry. I'm going to see how much I can fill before it kits the overflow tube.
     
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    Be sure to read the flush procedure. The coolant heat storage tank is not open for flow when the engine is running.

    Given you have air in the coolant system, the flush procedure includes using a bidirectional scanner like Techstream to manually open that flowpath.

    You also need to verify how the coolant was lost, especially if a coolant drain was not done before this problem started.
     
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    This car should last you a long time 500,000 mi or so pretty easily usually most people get tired of the car before the car really lets them down seriously you know they got to have a payment something new keep up with the friends you know all that sort of thing
     
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    Thank you. At this point I'm just trying to get the car functional until Tuesday, which is when I have a coolant flush/replace and new thermostat installed. My mechanic is awesome and has done a great job so far. I've printed off the flush procedure that another member posted for him so that he is aware. 300k miles here I come...