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    The link is at $44/gal for me. I might be able to get a 5 gallon jug of 100 octane racing gasoline for that price.

    Which raises another thought. Many of these ethanol free gasolines don't have another oxygentate added. You could be trading your health for engine health when using them in these small engines.
     
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    I thought that the Clean Air Act mandates the use of oxygenated gasoline in areas with "high carbon monoxide levels."
    (Detectable CO levels?)
    Since most "high carbon monoxide levels" occur where they cram millions of people into a few, often coastal counties with frequent temperature inversions you're probably living a healthier life if you live where your government doesn't require hooched-up gas to begin with.
     
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    I don't think CO is a factor with cat converters now. Oxygenate use (now ethanol mandate) is pretty much a political concession to the Ethanol Lobby on an alternate/renewable bio-fuel argument. If I recall Cali was not originally a big fan of oxygenates because it increases evap emissions, but Ca. reluctantly decided to go along. No CO benefit was a big finding of the Auto/Oil program in the 1990's showed that ethanol was not needed (for auto emissions) going forward. Congress decided it wanted ethanol mandate anyways.
     
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    America has a decent yearly corn harvest and some shady court cases involving the likes of monsanto and others in regards to corn and the ownership of some of that crops proprietary genetics. (Not much real old style corn to be had these days, for human consumption or industrial applications). Also love being linked by name to the dark side of the lobbies pushing for their interests.
    Are ya hearing me on the hill?
     
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    Nope.

    They're not.
    You either need a BUNCH of bucks or a bunch of other people sayin' the same stuff as you are.

    @ corn: They lost the moral high ground with HFCS.
    It used to be that nutrition was a major life-taker in the US - or at least a key factor in life expectancy.
    It still IS!
    AND...food insecurity STILL IS A THING!!!!
    In a nation where calorie intake is ALSO still a 'thing.'

    You LISTENING out there 'science?" ;)
     
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    Oxygenates help get complete combustion of the fuel. While US law ignores it for gasoline cars, complete combustion means lower particle emissions. While the cat takes care of CO and hydrocarbons, my musings was in relation to emissions from chainsaws; carburetors with no emission controls. While I think Stihl gives emissions, or at least engine deposits, a consideration for their canned gas, 'pump' ethanol free gas is mostly just the gasoline before adding the alcohol. Seeing how hard it is to find in a 'clean corridor', it likely is also the non-reformulated fuel.

    Part of my switch to electric lawn tools was to avoid breathing the fuel fumes and emissions, and I'm in a clean corridor with E10. So I was wondering if using ethanol free would be worse, and by how much?
     
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    I do not know about lawn tools except ethanol-free is usually preferred from engine performance. Presumably ethanol would reduce CO say 30% reduction from lawn tools if they make CO. For cars today, there is no fundamental need for oxygenates in the fuel except for meeting ethanol mandate regulations, which has an alternate biofuel argument. If it was an emissions factor, we could just have emissions targets with no specific ethanol mandate. I have EGO EV mower mainly quiet and no need for gasoline in the garage, and cleaner.

    Before cat converters, cars made very high CO in the range up to 8% CO (80,0000 ppm) and ethanol afforded maybe 30% reduction. So lawn tools could be very high CO, but as per cars of the bygone era, I guess the CO dissipates outside.
     
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    I bought an Echo-225 nearly 15 years ago that still starts on the first pull - a unit that I've said in this forum would be my last gas line trimmer.
    I've broken a corded B&D unit in the interim and I'm waiting for battery tech to mature a little more before buying one of those - although my CFO uses a battery powered B&D for our house in the city - that I'm not allowed to borrow.

    I was angry when I bought the Echo because I went through 2 line trimmers in less than 10 years - so I decided to try the "buy once-cry once" approach. If Stihls were not made in China, (like everything else is including Echos) I would have gotten one of them and spent the extra $100.
    There was an older gent who was there and overheard me muttering about having to buy a weed-eater every five years and maybe the Echo would last a little bit longer.
    He said that I would be back in 5 years no matter what I bought.

    SO......
    A friend of my SIL never went to college.
    He started cutting grass in junior high school and hasn't looked back in 25 years.
    He has an LLC, about a dozen crews now and one of them cuts HIS grass....

    He uses the canned gas and so I started using it when I bought the Echo.

    I can't say I know what's in it.
    Don't really care, except that unless you buy it on sale it's eye-wateringly expensive.
    I usually buy a bunch of cans (seemingly) right after the 4th of July when Walmart starts putting out Christmas trees and selling off all of their garden stuff.


    My Echo is still going strong and now I don't have to break out beakers and a slide rule to mix oil and gas.
    I don't HAVE to know if it's the fuel or the higher quality line trimmer. ;)

    TIFWIW....
     
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    CO is just one emission of concern here. It's bad in enclosed spaces, which is why mining equipment is diesel, but otherwise the health impact form limited exposure, like weekly lawn mowing, is temporary. The particles and hydrocarbons could have longer issues.

    Thus my musing of trading personal health for engine health when getting ethanol free gas for power tools.
     
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    AAAAAnnnnnnd were back over $2.429 now.....
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