Featured Toyota chairman says millions of jobs will be lost via EV Future

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  1. hill

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    Wonder why he didn't worry about that issue a decade ago - rather than wait until they (& a couple other auto manufacturers) are in last place with EV's. If you build it (& it's ½ way decent) they will come.

    Toyota Chairman Predicts EV-Only Future Will Destroy Millions Of Jobs | Carscoops

    So - if regenerative breaking slows down brake pad manufacturing , oh well. Why can't ICE manufacturers build more electric motors & battery plants instead of turbos and V6's.
    I wonder if his ancestors shed tears when sword makers & blacksmiths lost tons of business.
     
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    The horse care and feeding industry required a huge number more workers than the car care industry.
     
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    Who knew that building cars is a "make work" jobs program run by philanthropists managers?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    He's had time to see and get to know all the old jobs that will go away.

    He hasn't imagined all the new ones that will need to be created.
     
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    Jobs will be lost…

    Somewhere in the course of civilization, being “gainfully employed”, “professionally”, has become paramount. Automation is advancing, and just maybe we can relax a bit, implement a living wage, recognize it’s absurd to think the 40 hour week will be necessary, forever. And what’s with all this driving, cut back some?
     
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    Plus think about how many santitation and street workers were needed to clean up the horse manure.
     
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    toyota = bev distortion and propaganda. what else is new?
     
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    Yeah....

    Not helping matters: housing in one location, and stores waaay off, in some sorta commercial ghetto, on the outskirts, due lower property taxes, god-knows-what.

    Just checked ours, from latest spring oil change to the one previous, roughly a year, about 4300 kms. And that included an unusual run up to the BC interior, around 1100~1200 kms round trip. Admitedly we're retired, stay-at-homers.

    How much of the driving is automotive related, say mechanics/salesmen/parts sellers and so on, driving to their workplace, doing deliveries, road calls. Or fast-food workers, heading for their mostly drive-thru locations. It's a car culture.
     
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    I include that as part of the horse care industry.

    Wasn't there a time, just for the widespread outbreak of 'horseless carriages', where someone was predicting that NYC was nearing a transportation limit set by capacity to handle horse manure?
     
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    He wasn't all broken up when his cars killed off the buggy whip manufacturers or laid off clerical staff to be replaced by AI..

    Just saying, When a door closes another one opens....
     
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    In the state comparisons, this doesn't appear to distinguish between resident and non-resident traffic. It appears to include all vehicle miles traveled, regardless of where the drivers actually live.

    Thus, all the states ranking highest in annual miles per (resident) driver are drive-through states -- states with a large amount of non-resident traffic just passing through between sources and destinations on either side. The lowest population state, Wyoming, really stands out with a far higher score than the next highest. Most of the lowest ranking states are coastal, slashing drive-through traffic.

    So I can't take this as an accurate gauge of number of miles driven by the drivers actually living in any given state.
     
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    Not even discounting that those events/people that drive 100s of miles to cross states are a small minority?
     
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    A 4 day work week would cut back on some driving.
    Until they mandate mile tracking by GPS, we can't say where a car racked up its miles. Which isn't what the article is claiming.

    I'm going to try to figure out how the article put together their numbers, but this was the source, Highway Statistics 2019 - Policy | Federal Highway Administration
    The vehicle data comes from state registrations, and info for drivers from the state's license databases. So the data given in the article is very likely well linked to a state residence. We can't say if the Wyoming number is from miles driven in Montana or the Dakotas. We can say a car registered in Wyoming was driven so many miles in a year.

    Unless there is some reason an individual state has a significant number of registrations that are actually cars that are out of state and heavily driven, it is a fair gauge of the miles per state. There are also the drawbacks of presenting just an average. I'm sure NYC plays a part in bringing the state's average down to 3rd lowest.
     
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    Forget about the transition from horses to cars.
    If Toyota is concerned about technology and jobs, they should stop using that fancy assembly line:p
     
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    concurring with the uaw does not make you right, it's actually an embarrassment
     
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    He was speaking about Japanese jobs, specifically engine manufacturing jobs.
     
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    Maybe you should run for UAW president .... make sure automakers throw out all the robotics so they have to hire 300% MORE workers ... & then pay $80 - $100 /hour because that's nice & fair & such for mostly unskilled labor.
    Then our wonderful Fed leadership can discount via fed incentive giveaways - all those thevery expensive hand built cars by say - 500% ... so the fed subsidized cars can still compete with the competition from other countries.

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    Was he worried about job loss with the push for fuel cells?