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Slightly "Rough" Idle at standstill w. Low Traction Battery

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Canard, Oct 3, 2024.

  1. Canard

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    I have a bit of an odd one...

    2010, 415k km (257k miles)

    Here's the scenario:

    -Stopped in traffic (vehicle stationary)
    -Engine is hot/warmed up (have been driving for a while)
    -Traction Battery eventually drops down to two bars (low)
    -Engine comes on to charge up traction battery
    -Engine sounds like it is revving at a slightly different rpm than normal idle (maybe a little slower?)
    -Engine sounds a little "rough"

    Once the battery gets up to 3 bars again, the engine shuts off... and if I drive off at any point and the engine kicks on, everything sounds fine/smooth.

    I'm wondering what is causing this slightly rougher idle in this exact specific scenario.
     
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    I’ve experienced the same, would suspect it’s normal.
     
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    This also happened to me a year or two ago when I had the AC turned on. It is not usual for me to be stopped in traffic for long periods of time. It has not happened again, so I am not concerned.
     
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    I took a look again this morning, and noticed the grey "Hybrid Synergy Drive" cover was rattling around pretty good at this lower-rpm idle, so I'm wondering if it's just a resonance thing that specific engine speed. It went away entirely (cover didn't rattle) when the engine bumped up in rpm slightly after the battery was 3+ bars...
     
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    Check and clean out your throttle body and air intake pathway. A sticky throttle body flap would cause this. As for the engine 'beauty" cover; I always remove them and store it with my maintenance parts box. I prefer to see problems that may be masked by that cover and takes away the roof of a mouse house.:cool::whistle:

    On my old Prius C, the idle should be slightly faster than normal, when it's recharging a low traction battery. When was the last time the engine was tuned up? You may also have a weak cylinder that can be verified by looking at the spark plug and/or bore scope. That's a pretty objective test. A quantifiable test is compression and leak-down test.

    Hope this helps.....
     
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  6. Canard

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    Is this related to or similar to the EGR stuff I sometimes see come to the top of the threads?
     
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    The first part of the answer is easy: when the engine "idles", it spins at around 1000 to 1200 RPM doing no actual work beyond keeping itself running. When the battery needs to be charged, it runs at around the same RPM but with the throttle opened further, more fuel being burned, and a deeper exhaust note, because it is then under load and doing actual work.

    So it is totally normal to be able to tell the difference in sound between when the engine is idle and when it is doing real work to charge the battery.

    What might or might not be normal in your case is if it actually sounds rough when it is loaded down and doing work. If so, there's nothing very exotic about that problem; the world is full of gasoline engines that sound sweet when idling but get rough as soon as you put on some load. Then it's just a matter of finding out why.

    There can be a lot of reasons worth checking into. One thing to check could be the intake manifold. There are four small EGR passages in it. They sometimes get clogged, and usually they get differently clogged, so then when EGR flows, the cylinders get different amounts, and the running is rough. There is no EGR flowing at idle, but there is some under moderate load, so that could match a pattern of no roughness at idle but some at moderate load.

    But the other usual suspects for rough engine running could be playing a role too.
     
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    @ChapmanF above explains it very nicely above. I didn't mention EGR because it's suppose to be closed at idle. That's not to say the the valve could be clogged opened. Any seasoned old-timer mechanic should be able to troubleshoot that. Usually a stumble as you start throttling up.
     
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    It's definitely worth mentioning in this case, because only actual idle is actual idle.

    When the engine is charging the battery, it may be turning at similar-to-idle RPM, but it is not idling. The throttle is further open, the engine is under load, and will likely open the EGR valve, on purpose.
     
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    Thank you! I will do some research into the EGR cleaning stuff I've seen pop up in the threads so much. Given my car is older and with a higher mileage, and this has never been cleaned, it would stand to reason some of what I am noticing could be related to that being dirty.

    On a sidenote... I rather embarasingly realized the silver engine cover wasn't fully seated, and was rattling around at the "under load/charging" idle (but not at no-load idle). Something about the harmonics at that specific speed were causing it to flap wildly. Maybe that's all it was and this is a non-issue. I can't seem to replicate what I was originally seeing, at all...
     
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    Have you had it since new? If not, when did you acquire it, and at what miles?

    It's relatively incredible that the head gasket has not let go.

    (Why am I thinking about The Andromeda Strain?)
     
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    The cover also helps to keep the dirt off the coils....