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Could this be the real reason why the head gasket fail?

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  1. Anklepain

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    What do you think about slightly overfilling the oil would lead to hybrid engine instant torque start pulling the oil to intake manifold? This would cause cold start, missfire and clogging. And maybe head gasket failure also?

    Me, my dad and many of my friends are type of people that thinks "more is better" in almost everything in life. I just think is this type of thinking (more is better) is usual in general?

    Is there lots of Prius owner had sligthly overfill the oil thats why there is so many head gasket failure?

    Here is the video about this topic at chapter number four at 9.08 min.

     
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    Ps. I dont have head gasket failure. Just bought my Prius V 2014 5 months ago. It run great. The service man slightly overfill the oil first time when I bought the car. Second time I slightly overfill the oil 3 weeks ago when changing oil. Im going to suck that extra oil out this week.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned they fail for an adequately explained and researched reason: uneven heating and cooling.

    That's been popping head gaskets from every engine maker for 100+ years.
     
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    What's the miles?
    How much is slightly? How much (in mm or inch) above top mark on dipstick. Up to 1/4" I'd just let it be.
    Long shot...
     
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    there are many instances where more is not better, and can sometimes cause pain and death
     
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    140k mile. About 1-2mm above top mark. What do you mean by long shot. Did you watch the video above at 9.08 min. The car care nut said you should fill the oil slightly below top mark in hybrid cars. If you have time you can watch it. He had very good point for it.
     
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    Yes, I know more is not always better. Im just thinking, is this (more is better) behavor is usual for most of people after all. Thats why there are maybe many prius owner slightly over the oil. And that is why it would clogg their intake manifold. And that is why maybe their head gasket is blown. If you watch the video above at 9.08 min, it says slightly overfilling the oil is the BIG NO GO for the hybrid cars.
     
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    Depends on what you mean by slightly.....
    I put 4.5 quarts in mine. It always goes right to the bottom of the full line.
    When I put 4.75 qts in it, like it calls for, it's just over the top of the line.

    Now if you put a full quart over, that could likely be a problem.

     
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    That’s nothing.
    I doubt overfill is causing the head gasket failures. My theory (in case you haven’t heard) is that the carbon-clogging EGR system is the culprit.
     
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    some think the oil should be changed at 5k intervals, others say the coolant should be changed more often or at least tested.
    toyota claims the coolant pump speed control needs updated software, and i think unlike n/a, europe got a tsb.
     
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    I know the 1-2mm overfill is nothing for ICE. But for the Hybrid is different. It would pulling the oil to intake manifold and clogging it over time.

    This theory doesnt contradict the the "Carbon glogging egr system"-> manifold glogging.
     
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    Can you clarify why you think so?
     
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    The PCV system does a fine job of putting oil in the intake manifold, even without overfill of engine level.

    FWIW, I've found putting in the spec'd 4.2 liters after draining the oil (and changing the oil filter), I end up about 1/8" below the top mark on dipstick.

    That's after draining with the front of car raised quite high, which likely gets a little more oil out of the sump. With the car level, say on a dealership lift, with the car being level, it might end up very close to the top mark.

    I measure the oil with a large, graduated pitcher, pour it in, and just leave it till the day after a drive to check. I've found checking right away, even after running it a few seconds to fill the oil filter, it tends to show low on the dipstick. The few times I've added more at that point, it has turned out to be overfilled.
     
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    I believe all manufacturers have some factured in a +/- for the amount of oil for the engine.

    The engine is no different than any other engine, just because it's in a hybrid car.

     
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    A pcv sticking open could cause more combustion gas/oil vapor to be drawn into the intake at idle. Normally this will code and the engine will run rough. But not misfire or blown head gasket rough. Luckily hybrids don’t idle much because they just shutoff. Stuck closed the blocked crankcase pressure will blow oil seals, typically the timing chain cover with its block seams poorly sealed with form in place gasket sealant.

    The Car Care Nut’s concerns are justified for the above scenarios. Too much oil or oil burning makes stuck open more of an issue.

    An oil/gas separator is used on newer engines and automatically drains condensation back to the crankcase. On our engines some go with catch cans in the pcv hose but have to drain them manually. When they are forgotten (most don’t even check their oil level) you get a closed system with bad results or a a big slug of liquids into the intake.

    With or without a catch can you still get liquids pooling in the intake. Is it a cause of head gasket fails in a hybrid 1.8L when the 1.8L in a conventional car does not have high incidence of hg fails. Not very likely.
     
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    All my oil changes came back overfilled, and I had to pump out the excess after getting home.
    Regardless, it started misfiring at 87,000 miles
     
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    Why not just tell them NOT to overfill the crankcase?
    How many times has this happened?
    Why would you trust them since they don't know how to put in the proper amount of oil?

     
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    I have asked, but they say that they put in the spec and won’t change it.
    Personally, I think they are too lazy to bother checking the level and adding as needed until full
     
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    Their spec is wrong.
    Walfart wanted to torque the wheel lugs to 90ft#'s.
    I showed them in the Toyota manual it's 76. I wrote on the work order that they are over
    torqueing them and they manual calls for 76, not 90.

    I make them show me the torque setting before they torque them. And they bouncing the
    torque wrench is the incorrect way to use a torque wrench.

    No, they are not happy with me. But I don't care. I'm MY car! And it's fun to piss them off! (y)

    There are 2 people their that are actually good people and do the job correctly, so I only go on
    the days they are their.