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  1. Prius.Lover

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    Good day, please forgive me if I am posting this on the wrong discussion group or if this has been discussed already - I did look through the forum but couldn't find my exact problem. Any support would be greatly appreciated!!!

    Basically, my car was parked in a long stay car park for 7 weeks and when we tried to start it, it wouldn't comply. Airport worker jump started the car and initially it drove okay. Less than 30 mins into the drive, the red triangle with exclamation mark, orange circle light with exclamation mark and the vsc engine light came on.

    Pulled over, called out AA who did a diagnostic check and said nothing major was wrong, cleared the faults and said it was likely that the battery didn't like the abrupt jump start. It apparently should have been slowly charged before the high intensity jumpstart..?

    Anyhow, before we even left the service station, the lights came back on and I started noticing that when accelerating I was getting major resistance. It sounded like I was over revving the engine. I had to put my hazards on a few times because I couldn't accelerate enough to keep up with traffic!!!!??

    Also usually when I drive at speed, the battery charges up and you can see it full on the touchscreen screen. Not this time- it slowly drained to two bars. And a red car shaped light with an exclamation mark came on for the trip.

    Finally made it home after almost 7 hours (journey should have been less than 3).

    Any idea what this could be? Husband mentioned the mass air flow sensor may be faulty hence the acceleration issues. Or the 12v battery needs replacement?
     
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    Long-term parking is not very good.
    The high-voltage battery modules can discharge.
    Self-discharge varies for different modules and when one has dropped significantly in voltage, the others may remain normal.
    When operating a hybrid system, these differences in the voltage of neighboring modules can cause a red triangle and failure messages.

    To answer your questions accurately, we need some data on the error codes.
    Do you or your husband have the opportunity to find a scanner to read the codes?
     
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    The easy over revving of your engine is the clue your electric motors aren't meshing well with your gas engine and the engine rev sound happens like the clutch is slipping your clutch is your electric motor if you will and when it can't actively participate like it wants to your engine will outreve your electric motor I guess is what I'm looking to say kind of happened on my '09 and when this started to happen the traction battery was going into the toilet quickly. After changing the battery for a new one that problem went away forever. Then I got another '07 car drove that for a while still have the '09 '07 started doing the same thing same problem traction battery just not up to snuff fix that all that revving and slipping vanished The red car on your MFD could be telling you that you're not getting adequate charging because your inverter pump is not working or up to snuff but even if you're charging near end of life battery like crazy you can still get the slipping and the over revving so you may have a compound set of problems in that case
     
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    aaa doesn't know anything about hybrid cars.
    There is no power surge when jumping the 12v battery.

    How old is the 12v battery? You could charge it for 6 or more hours at
    5 amps or less. Remove the charger and check the voltage about 30 minutes later.
    It should read 12.6 or more. Anything less it's marginal. If the battery is older than 6 years,
    it probably time to replace it.

    Is the hybrid battery the original for your 2012 Prius? It could be getting weak.
    You can use a proper hybrid code reader and clear all the codes. Start the car and just
    let it idle and charge up the battery. With no heavy load it "may" charge up the battery and
    balance out the blocks some.

    It probably wouldn't hurt to get the Prolong system, or one similar, and run the hybrid battery
    through the complete cycles to bring some life back to the hybrid battery. It worked for me for
    about 3 years.

    Even if you just got the charger you could charge it for several hour after it levels out to balance
    all the blocks.

    You also need to check the inverter coolant pump, it might be failing and not circulating the coolant
    and causing the inverter to over heat. And also check the inverter because it might have failed.

    If you can't do these checks yourself, you should take it to a place they works with hybrid cars.
    And a Prius specialist would be best...

     
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    lights on the dash mean that there are trouble codes that can be read at the dealer or a qualified hybrid mechanic with a prius aware code reader.
    these codes will point the way to the fault(s) and we can help with diagnosis and repair if you post them here.
     
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    thank you for responding! We don't have the fault codes but will order a diagnostic machine from Amazon to see what comes up. Will update you once we know more.

    Interestingly, the hesitation on accelerating was a lot less today (but I drove locally only - having said that even accelerating from single numbers to up to 30mph yeaterday posed issues as described) - maybe the overnight rest helped?
     
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    Thank you all for your assistance on this. Seems the way forward is to get info on the faults firstly. We managed to book into a mechanic / auto shop next week for them to run some tests/assess the faults.

    Would it be weird to ask them to give me the codes?

    Are there any diagnostic checkers on amazon (uk) you recommend/advise to avoid?

    Thank you all once again for your time and valued advice!

    Slight update- today the lights are all on including the red car shaped light on touchscreen, however the battery on the touchscreen has gone up to 5-6 bars and is blue now.
     
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    Update: we managed to get an odb code reader and three codes came up: 7e8, 7ea and 7eb. For the first two no info is coming up but for 7eb it says 'replace hybrid/ev battery pack'.

    Over the past week, the lights I mentioned in my original post went off and the car was accelerating better, but the next day(yesterday) the lights came back on and I had trouble with sluggishness, and issues with acceleration again.

    What's the best way forward please?
    If the hybrid battery has to be replaced, what's the cost? Would you recommend second hand batteries ie off e. B. Ay?
     
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    So Toyota dealership have quoted 1600gbp for the battery and 600 for labor plus 95 for a full diagnostic. Heart. Sink.
     
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    Depending on your mechanic's level of expertise; I wouldn't recommend second hand batteries off of flea-bay. They are usually batteries salvaged from wrecks or from other battery packs that has failed. You may even get an older battery than you currently have.
    Crack the traction battery case and check for corrosion on the battery's power bus. Clean or replace and go from there. The Dr. Prius app can give you an idea of the location of bad modules, but a physical exam is in order. Hopefully it's something simple. These types of cars were produced to be driven, long idle periods can actually damage the car.
    I'm not familiar with the cost of a traction battery in the UK - but you'll need to do your "homework" on what you can afford vs reliability vs warranty time for a rebuilt pack. If your buying a new traction pack, you can usually count on another 10 years of trouble-free operations of that traction pack. That's assuming that nothing else goes wrong with the car...

    Good Luck and hope this helps.....
     
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    Ok so this is reassuring in a way that if we do fork out the money for a brand new hybrid battery then we can drive the car for another 5 years at least provided nothing else drastic goes wrong with it.

    We can hope that when they run a diagnostic maybe the battery turns out to be salvageable?

    We got the car for around 3500 second hand a few years back and now are having to pay at least 2500 to repair it!!!!
     
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    7e8, 7ea, and 7eb look like the addresses of different ECUs in the car that were queried for codes. The actual trouble codes are five characters long, where the first is a letter P, C, B, or U and the second is a 0, 1, 2, or 3.

    It's good to say what the actual code is, though if "replace hybrid/ev battery pack" is what the description said, then P0A80 was probably the code.
     
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    Interesting! Yes you are totally right, just checked the picture I took of the message mentioning replacing the hybrid battery, and on top it does say p0a80.

    Is that a confirmed directive ie we will necessarily have to replace the hybrid battery? Or is there some hope?!

    Tomorrow will run the test again and click see if the other ECU addresses have 5 character codes, will post findings here. Thank you for your time and help!
     
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    Some people do other things for a while with a P0A80, like take the battery apart and swap individual modules, but the most trouble-free option tends to be a fresh battery from Toyota.
     
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    You might consider the Lithium battery..... It cost less, and so far it's been working
    great for me. I certainly can run a lot longer in EV mode, and can cost longer....
    When the car is idling, the engine comes on about 1/4-1/3 of much....

    Toyota hybrid battery upgrade pack– NexPower Energy

     
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    That's a bit on the high side, I believe a new Toyota pack here is around $1600 USD and I know the pound is stronger than the dollar. Shop around and check prices on-line. Here in the states, most dealerships will price match when you find another dealership promoting a cheaper price on the same OEM part, but trying to get the labor cost down will also benefit you. See if there are private shops willing to give you a better deal, because install and replacement of an OEM pack is a simple straight forward proposition

    Good Luck...

    PS, the gen3 Prius are also know to blow head gaskets and ABS control issues. If you haven't had those issues repaired, you may want to factor that into keeping and repairing the car vs selling it as a mechanic special while it's still running.
     
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    There have been recent posts around here of Toyota's asking price for the battery roughly doubling lately. Don't know if it has in UK.
     
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    I had planned on getting the battery from Toyota, but they said they can't sell them
    over the counter any longer. They can only ship it to a place certified for hybrids.
    Since I wasn't going to pay the high labor cost for something I can do myself, I looked
    for other places that some NEW cells. $2400 was the least expensive I found, plus the shipping.

    I don't know if that's true in england or not, you'd have to ask them.

    I'm glad I got the lithium cells. I had not issues with the web site, or ordering. He didn't have any
    in stock at the time so I got on the email list to be notified when the arrived. I think it was 2 days?
    And I received the notice, went to the site, placed the order. A few minutes later I received an
    email saying he would notify me what it shipped. A few hour later, I received that email with a
    tracking number. I received the cells in 3 days. Which is remarkable from california to Florida!



     
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    I'm not sure they do price matching here but I will check at another mechanic (non Toyota) to see how much they would charge for the battery and labour.

    Toyota actually quoted 2600 but said if you leave your battery with us it will be 1600 plus the labor!!!!

    The other thing we found was when calling around multiple mechanics to get a diagnostic, as soon as they heard ' hybrid ' they said we don't deal with that, you need a licensed hybrid mechanic... and apparently there aren't too many of those locally!

    How much does fixing blown head gaskets and rectifying abs control issues tend to cost, ball park range?

    I'm afraid I have no idea what a mechanic special is lol
     
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    Interesting. I will look into this. Any idea why?