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Can we do a software update after EGR cleaning job with TechStream

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  1. Tombukt2

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    I don't know did it work I'm not understanding what's messing up here If you have a two-day license I guess you should be able to access the necessary files from TIS to upgrade everything in your car needs upgrading as far as computers and software goes I would think I've never had a TIS account or bought one so I don't know
     
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    Be careful. If not done correctly you may brick the ecu.

    Never have done this myself but the help file suggests:

    Calibration Update Check
    Press the ECU Reprogramming button on the System Select display.

    The Calibration Update Check screen displays whether or not there is a Calibration ID and update for vehicles with ECU's designed for Reprogramming. If there is an update, a link to TIS is displayed. TIS can be displayed by clicking the link.

    And on step 4 of the next page

    To perform reprogramming, click
    the link to start TIS. When the target Calibration File on the TIS site is clicked, the file will be downloaded and the Calibration Update Wizard will start.

    See attached
     

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  3. htcmember

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    thank @rjparker for your inputs and the pdf manual on it.

    I will try again tomorrow and will call techstream support if any missing step here from my steps.

    Good night,
    Riley


     
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    upload_2024-6-11_18-59-49.png upload_2024-6-11_18-59-23.png upload_2024-6-11_18-59-6.png upload_2024-6-11_18-58-49.png upload_2024-6-11_18-58-19.png hi @rjparker et all,

    I've tried to contact Techstream Technical Support this morning and here are some updates:

    1. They asked me to use GTS+ (Global Techstream Plus) instead of Techstream ver.18.000.008 that I've installed on my laptop

    2. It will connect directly to Techstream server/intranet for license verificaiton (that I've bought $70 on it under Professional Diagnostics account)

    3. Account name/shop name will be your name and email that you've registered with https://techinfo.toyota.com/ and User level should be "Public User" when we're using the subscription account

    4. I now can connect to the car using GTS+ software that we will be requested to download and install into PC/laptop via this link: javascript:t3linkSoftware('/tis/download/scantool/GTS/AgentLite_AfterMarket.exe') or we can query from: https://techinfo.toyota.com/t3Portal (see my screenshots on it too)

    HERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE that stop me to flash the ECU (I've tried to report it via Techstream web-base platform [using F12 function from the keyboard to call the report feature]):
    - I can connect to my ct200 and run the health check

    - then click on "YES" on update tab from GTS+ > healthcheck to run TSB document - L-SB-0061-12 Rev2: '11-'16 CT 200h: MIL "ON" DTC P2111 and P0A0F After Cold Soak

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    - inside L-SB-0061-12 Rev2, I can see the new Calibration ID (37601400) too with a hyperlink as below snapshot to click and load the file
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    but IT ALWAYS LEAD ME TOO BELOW ERROR, so that I can not open the new Cal ID to upgrade/flash my ECO accordingly :(
    Very annoyed and hope that someone can help on it before my license expires
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    It supposes to open GTS or GTS+ as below snapshot so that we can flash it:

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    Btw, i've tried to download all below documents, just in case you guys need any of that, I will share it here too, at least my subscription will be worth to help someone in need :D

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    I think you are breaking new ground using the Techstream replacement software from Toyota. It seems to be just a few months ago Toyota announced the upcoming changeover to GTS+ Global Techstream Plus.

    You should call Toyota support again.
     
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    Yes, they says they recommend shops/dealers using the new GTS+ and sadly says that they did not support on flashing/upgrading steps anymore. They told me that they got some case that customer got error/brick/malfunction with the ECU so no more support on it, only support for technical issue related to the software, cables... :(

    That's why I've tried to post here if any pals out there can help :D

    Thanks,
    Riley

     
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    Are you saying Toyota is not supporting ecu flashing for anyone using Techstream but the GTS+ software should work?
     
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    I mean, they do not support on flashing procedure or how-tos on it anymore, include GTS+, they will only support with software issue or subscription account matter.

     
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    What we know for sure is that the TSB that was issued saying "if you have rough running in these circumstances, install this revised EGR valve" also says "and install this newer firmware revision too".

    So it's clear Toyota thinks both things are worth doing if you have rough running in those circumstances, but that could be because the revised valve and revised firmware "need" each other, or just because Toyota expects both revisions to have some benefit to rough running in those circumstances.

    One reason I tend to think it's the latter is that there's a different TSB too, seeking to address a different rough-running complaint in different circumstances, and that one said "use this revised intake manifold", and also said to install the (same) newer firmware version, too.

    If you followed that TSB, you'd have the new manifold, old valve, and new firmware. If you followed the other TSB, you'd have the old manifold, new valve, and new firmware. If you happened to have had both complaints and followed both TSBs, you'd have the new manifold and the new valve and the new firmware.

    And neither the manifold nor the valve identifies itself to the ECM as being the old or the new kind (the manifold has no electrical connections to the ECM, and the connections on the valve are only ECM outputs controlling the valve, no communication back). So the firmware doesn't know whether it's dealing with a new or old manifold or a new or old valve, and has to be able to work ok with either.

    I actually asked Toyota to flash that firmware version for me on its own (because I was guessing it might include other improvements too, like a water pump control change that there's a European TSB about; I have no idea whether my guess was true). The only different behavior I've noticed with the revised firmware is the engine's initial idle RPM is a little higher when it's cold, and then drops to the usual idle speed once the coolant hits 30℃. Kind of like the "fast idle cam" old automatic chokes used to have. Which is a reasonable thing to do if you've got some roughness on cold startup, 'cause it'll probably be less rough at a little higher RPM, and for all I know there might not be any other magic in the firmware update besides that.
     
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    I meant did Toyota tell you Techstream no longer works for flashing ecus?
     
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    they did not say so, but they only mentioned that we should use GTS+ instead and they don't want to answer my queries on Techstream ver.18 and routed me to GTS+ installation and asked me report any issue via F12 if it' happened
     
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    I'm guessing they don't want to help anybody using Techstream for anything now that they have GTS+ and it's presumably more resistant to bootlegging.
     
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    Are you still sure that it's not worth the $250 to let Toyota do your ECU update?
     
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    you're right on it and here is my car updates after struggling with the GTS+ and finally done with it, thank you @ChapmanF , @rjparker , @Tombukt2 et all for your supports, advice and inputs :D

    1. it's tricky because they've used an internal link to access the Cal ID update file, in this case it's file:///t3Portal/calibration/37601400
    and the correct way to access it should be https://techinfo.toyota.com//t3Portal/calibration/37601400
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    2. Cal-ID update wizard will appear as below windows if you can access to Techstream subscriptions, below screenshots are the process:
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    this process only takes around 5 minutes, so please patient and keep your battery charged with battery charger to be on the safe side

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    when finished, this screen will pop up, DON'T unplug cable BUT follow the procedure until it's requested you to do so and you good to go :)
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    my new Cal-ID updated as below after double checking again
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    Thanks All and Good night :)
     

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    Yes, that's sort of the minimum precaution. At a Toyota dealer, they will have the battery connected, not to a typical battery charger, but to one of these, and it won't be set to charge mode but to "power supply mode", where it could try to hold the car at a stable 13.5 volts on its own if it had to:

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    Also, Toyota keeps issuing newer and newer TSBs like this one (I'm not even sure this is the latest), with longer and longer checklists of things to do to make sure there won't be any power glitches during the reprogramming. In this one, I'm talking about the red box on page 10:

    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10164330-9999.pdf

    If I remember right, there's a Prius-specific version that adds even more to the checklist, like pumping the brakes beforehand until the pump runs (so it'll be less likely to run during the reflash), and pulling a few key fuses. When I take mine to the dealer for any reflash, I pull fuses to any of my mods myself, since the dealer won't know about them.

    Because Toyota puts all of that thought into checklists of precautions to avoid bricking the car, I still take mine to the dealer and pay the hour of shop time whenever there's a reflash I want. I'd just rather let any possible brickage be their problem.
     
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    I haven't seen any real new updates for the 2013 and the 2010 I think has all the same firmware updates is the 2013 so there's always that I guess all this other stuff is for these lot newer versions or are all these updated checklist what people need to do to like a 2010 that hasn't been done ever spending the garage all its life or on the road and never seen the dealer for anything No one knew it needed it and now when we go to flash it we have four pages of stuff that has to be done? Where before there was only a half a page and how many of those cars got bricked probably actually quite rare but it is interesting how they keep upping the antie on all the safety precautions..
     
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    I just replaced EGR valve on 2011 Prius (with genuine new Toyota part). Called local Toyota service department and asked if the new EGR valve needed to be updated (firmware, programming, or whatever). They put me on hold for a few minutes and then came back and said nothing was needed.
     
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    I don’t wanna waste my time on reading all the above but I hope you’re not gonna use that fleabay $20 knockoff cable. You can break your Ecu like 50% guaranteed.

    $70 spent on techstream could buy you official egr firmware flush from willing Toyota dealership.
     
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