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EV mode with CEL

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by imitt12, Aug 6, 2024.

  1. imitt12

    imitt12 New Member

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    I'm getting ready to do the EV mode mod on my Gen 2, but there's a question I have that I haven't been able to find a quick answer to yet. I have a persistent P0420 and several evap codes that I have chosen not to fix because I don't have to pass inspection here, which obviously results in a permanent CEL. I haven't been able to find out at quick answer as to whether or not EV mode will engage if you have a CEL, and I obviously haven't tested this myself because I don't have the button installed yet. Off throttle and braking regen still work perfectly fine, and I still get around 40 mpg on average with my highway heavy commute, so this would mainly be used in stop-and-go traffic and on 30mph roads. Any thoughts?
     
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    From your last sentence, I get the impression you want to install the EV button so that you can manipulate the engine to turn off, when it otherwise wants to run, in order to get better fuel economy.

    If I am correct, you can save yourself the trouble as it won't achieve that goal.

    The EV button is not designed to do that. When the engine is cold, it is to keep the engine off for short movements - say, in and out of the garage or to move around on your driveway. Another legitimate use is driving in a semi-enclosed parking structure with poor ventilation. In this situation, most of the time you will not need it as long as the engine is at operating temperature.

    In stop-and-go traffic, it won't make much, if any, difference when the engine is at operating temperature.

    On 30 MPH roads, you will not be able to use the EV button unless you are willing to travel 26 MPH (true speed*) or less. This is the speed threshold where EV mode will be forced off.

    The other thing to bear in mind in these two scenarios is you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. All energy stored in the battery is derived from burning gas. Together with the energy conversion losses you will always be behind the 8-ball and your fuel economy will be worse as you will need to replace the energy taken from the battery by burning gas.

    Further consideration should be given to the shortening of the battery's lifespan by forcing more battery cycles. I believe this was the prime consideration for the EV button being deleted in the NA offering. It was deemed necessary to enable providing the required 15-year warranty.

    Those are some of my thoughts having had an EV button as standard fitment from the get-go.



    * The true speed is shown on the vehicle signal check screen and is displayed in km/h. The displayed speed for that threshold is 42 km/h.
     
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    I appreciate the info here. There are a couple of things I want to point out, though.

    First, you did not answer my question at all. It seems from your response that you almost completely ignored the entirety of my message save for the last sentence. I was not asking about whether or not EV Mode would be a benefit to my fuel mileage, I was asking if the specific MIL condition my vehicle has would prevent EV Mode operation.

    Second, I did not mention in the original post, but this is an '06 with a salvage title, 220k miles and climbing, and a reconditioned traction battery. I paid less than $3000 for this car, and I want to modify it. If the traction battery dies, I'm putting in a Nexcell sodium battery as an upgrade. I genuinely do not care what happens to the existing traction battery.

    Third, I have read all of the major EV mode threads on this forum, as well as Dr. Evan Fusco's long and informative PDF about the install. I am very familiar with how the system operates and what its general limitations are, and I made this forum post with that in mind. I am an ASE Master technician with a lot of experience with EVs and hybrids, and I've logged about 6000mi of daily commuting with this car over the last 6 months. I have independently learned the exact same hypermiling techniques found elsewhere on this forum. My knowledge gap is not with how the HSD in this car operates or why it doesn't make a good BEV; I fully understand that already.

    I specifically came to this forum because there are people here who have owned and driven a Prius with this mod longer than I've had a driver's license, and I wanted to draw on that experience looking for information about a use case I've never personally experienced, nor have I seen discussed on this forum. I apologize if the tone of my message comes off aggressive or harsh, but I'm so sick and tired of coming to a forum and asking a direct question, only for it to be completely ignored and me be treated like I'm an idiot.
     
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    I appreciate the forthright candor of your reply and had you not included the last paragraph it certainly would have come off as aggressive and harsh but I totally understand your frustration.

    In my defense, I generally do not post when I don't know the answer to the question(s) asked, and in this case, I have never had a MIL (CEL) and thought to try and see what the EV button behavior was, so I didn't answer the question.

    Given that the information that you have since posted above was not available to me, you left me to assume your skills, training, abilities, expectations, and research history. Maybe that is a mitigation, maybe it is not.

    Anyway given the research you've done, you probably know more than anybody on this subject. The pool of people that might be able to help is going to be small given how many people in the US might have added the EV switch and adding those people to the rest of the world then number then having a CEL and thinking to try whether they can use the EV button.

    Cheers, and all the best.
     
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    EV Button Use:
    EV will engage only at speeds less than 30mph. EV will engage only if the HV battery SOC (state of charge) is above 3 bars.
    The EV will automatically disengage when the SOC drops to 2 bars, when speed exceeds 34mph, or under hard acceleration.
    Cruise will be disengaged when you enter EV mode and cannot be engaged while in EV mode.
    When you've been in EV mode and you push the button again to disengage EV the ICE will almost always start immediately to recharge the HV battery.

    There are no restrictions on using the button EV when the catalyst is not working(P0420).

    My mode turns off at speed 34 MPH.