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AC not cold but overpressurized?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Nathaniel_Thorne, Jul 11, 2024.

  1. Nathaniel_Thorne

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    I have a 2013 Prius Three with around 90k miles. A few weeks ago I started noticing the ac didn't feel as cold and then eventually it started blowing nothing but hot air. First thought was to check/add freon so I bought a can and gauge Problem is when I plugged up the gauge with the freon, it immediately went into the red. I didn't add any freon or squeeze the trigger because it went halfway to the red. I checked it again it different conditions, such as running vs not and at night when Temps come down. Everytime the same thing. I then thought maybe the serpentine belt and discovered this car doesn't have one or at least the compressor is electric and doesn't use it. I'm trying to figure out if there are other steps I can take or if there's anything I should know before going to a mechanic.
     
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    Okay you connect the can to the low pressure side The only port it will connect to when the car is not running and the air conditioning is not on and the remotes in your pocket nothing is happening The gauge should be buried on a pretty full system that's past 80 well into the red if it has a red The minute your other half starts the car puts the air conditioner on low temperature high fan non-recirculate mode You should see that gauge pull down below the green like to 10 PSI and slowly rise up to about 35 37 at that time you'll feel the hose that this gauge is plugged into is getting cold this indicates that the refrigeration cycle is in fact working and you are making cold because you don't feel it in the car is not the refrigeration systems problem usually it's an air damper door not moving so on and what have you there are people that will come along for the Gen 3 that will tell you what you need to unplug and what you need to look at to get your cold air actually blowing back inside your cabin.
     
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    These cars are dependent on a very precise refrigerant fill. As in measured in grams on a calibrated scale. Now that yours is wrong, it is probably best to get it vacuumed out and filled from scratch.
     
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    I only think it was wrong because the car wasn't running in the air conditioning wasn't turned on yet when the air conditioning is turned off and nothing is running there's no such thing as a low and high side that is created when the compressor pumps up pressure and creates a high and a low side or a suction and a discharge side is the reaction of what happens when you operate a pump water gas it doesn't matter so until something is sucking on the suction side is something is pressurizing on the discharge side there's no sides.
     
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    Your AC is a variable pressure system... Correct amount of refrigerant is done by weight, not pressure. You have to evcauate the system and measure the weight of the refrigerant and oil. A Shop has an expensive machine to do this. It's not DIY...
     
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    Try what I said above and see what happens You're worried about explosions That's not going to happen Not with the AC system If you get buried in the red the low gauge on top of the can with the car sitting there off perfectly normal if when you start the car and turn on the air conditioning and you hear the compressor run it stays in the red then you need to find the blockage or whatever is going on and that's probably going to be left to air conditioning people but I don't think that's what you have going on until you check and try it you won't know.
     
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    Maybe they should stop selling these recharge cans.
     
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    They should most definitely stop doing that they should go back to the can tap and cans of whatever gas you're going to use so that people have to buy tools to do it I do agree with that whether any dummy can buy the tools and still perform the operation that's another whole story but to just be able to walk into Walmart and get a can with the gauge and start having at it it's really kind of silly I'm just trying to figure out if he's got pressure going down when the air conditioner finally comes on because with everything off the gauge on the can is doing just what it's supposed to do not blowing off the gauge but bouncing all the way to the end of the gauge this is correct with the car off the minute the car turns on and the air conditioner clicks in it should suck down to almost 14 lb and slowly rise to about 36 close to 40 and then the tube it's connected to should be getting cold and if this is happening his refrigeration system is working reasonable why there's nothing coming out of the vents there's a car electrical problem The damper door is stuck and any position but AC I guess.
     
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    Did you hear the compressor running? It's probably not turning on.

    There could be any number of different problems with your ac. It's going to require troubleshooting. A set of manifold gauges is a start.
     
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    If the A/C is turned "on" and your "gauge" (which on those refill cans has to be connected to the low side service port) reads high, then it sounds like the compressor is not running.

    You would need a capable scantool to check for any trouble codes that could explain why the compressor might not be running.

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    Thanks to everyone who's replied. I have don't a little more fiddling since this post but no luck. Ultimately I think the compressor is bad or something is causing it not to turn on. I don't hear it turning on at any point(although honestly I don't know if I'd know what it would sound like if it did). I've checked all (about 4) fuses that deal with ac and they all seem good. Right now I'm debating between getting a OBD2 gaugescanner reader and seeing if I see a code or going to a mechanic. I'll make sure I post the result and reason if either pan out.

    Attaching a picture. This is what the refill gauge does as soon as I plug it up. Turning the air on or turning on the car doesn't nothing to change it. Just stays there.
     
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    I agree that the compressor is not running AND you have sufficient pressure in the system that it ought to be.

    I believe if you hold down AUTO and RECIRC when you power the car on, it's supposed to give you some trouble codes.
     
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    Yeah that's right compressor's not kicking on It's not creating a high and a low side so you have approximately a hundred pounds in the system. There is no high or low side at this point in the game in any air conditioning system that's off well the ones we deal with here anyway so there's a reason the air's not coming on maybe the inverter piece that works the air conditioner isn't putting out any volts All you got to do measure the plug voltage I think it's pack voltage 211 220 230 somewhere in there there should be some codes telling you something about this generally.
     
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    I haven't gotten to test the voltage of the inverter piece yet but I did do the HVAC test and got codes 42 and 23. From what I can tell from a quick search(at work so haven't had time to look in depth), 42 is Damper Control Motor Circuit. 23 is coolant pressure which makes sense.
     
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    23 would make me think the pressure switch is bad. The gauge shows enough pressure to turn on ac.

    See thread: B1423 Ac | PriusChat

    On my Ford, you can replace the pressure switch without evacuating the freon. Not sure on Prius.
     
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    On the Prius you're replacing that line that contains the switch Just take a look you'll see the problem I think maybe an aftermarket line like from four seasons may have a removable pressure switch after that It's pretty common for a lot of them to add that to models that don't have one that's removable
     
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    Looks like the pressure switch is replaceable, but it will require evacuation of the freon.
     
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    Yeah it comes with the high pressure side line I do believe I don't think it comes off of that block and that skinny line It's built together