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So long friend. Traded in the Prime

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Zed Ruhlen, May 21, 2024.

  1. Zed Ruhlen

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    After 6 years and 30k miles I traded in my Prime and purchased a used Ironiq 5. Blue Spark treated me well but just didn't quite meet my needs. The EV range was just too low for my needs. Originally Blue Spark was purchased when my lease on a Leaf ended and there just weren't any affordable choices in longer range EVs. The landscape is much different today and what with Hertz getting rid of their fleet the used EV market is a bargain. It helped that the Prime was worth more used than I originally paid for it. I really like going back to a pure EV. I always found it maddening that the Prime would fire up the engine rather than doing something like using the friction brakes on a hill. Or not allowing me to use the defroster in EV mode. She treated me well and I'm sure the new owners will be thrilled.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Vaya con Dios!

    Don't be a stranger.
    There are a lot of Prius ex-pats here.

    Good Luck!
     
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  3. bisco

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    i've heard a lot of good things about the ionique, would love to see the details of your deal if willing, and hear a report on how it's going from time to time.
    all the best!
     
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  4. Zed Ruhlen

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    I got it used in Portland from Platt Auto. a 2022 SE RWD with 28k miles. So far I'm really liking it but it takes a million years to charge on my 110 charger. I'm putting in a 14-50 outlet this week so that will be much better.

    It's no surprise that it goes a LOT further on a charge that the Prime. Before I was charging Blue Spark almost daily and driving it (we have hills) about 10-20 miles a day. Now I use about 3-5% charge per day driving the same amount. I got the RWD for efficiency and it has plenty of power without being EV neck snapping quick. I get about 3.5mi/kWH on the freeway. I'm loving it so far.

    Shout out to Platt Auto. They were incredibly easy to buy from. They don't haggle and they price their vehicles fairly. They gave me a fair trade in on the Prime as well. TBH I despise dealerships and I would go back to Platt in a heartbeat.
     
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    I think a lot of us on this forum are in a similar situation. My Prime is 7 years old and has just under 30K miles. Of course it still runs perfectly and I have no logical reason to replace it. I have also been reading the Ioniq 5 forum for about a year and at the present time it seems like a logical upgrade for my PP. But I think I would like something a little smaller. If the Kia Soul or the Honda Fit were EVs, that would fit our needs perfectly. I would be interested on what others on this forum are looking to upgrade to in the next year or two.
    Ray
     
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    Of course the Ioniq 5 is bigger than the Prime (by a lot inside and not as much outside) and it is worlds more comfortable to drive. The interior room is unbelievably large. Acres of rear seat space and having two six foot tall kids that was a major decision factor. But a 6 foot tall passenger can sit behind a 6 foot tall driver without complaint. The seats are way more comfortable. The sound level is much quieter. It's altogether a different class of car. It does have some annoyances though. Capacitive touch buttons should be illegal. They aren't as annoying as some (looking at you, VW) but they aren't as good as physical ones. I'm still just astonished by the range. I keep thinking "oh, I'll need to charge it soon" but then another day goes by and it's only lost 2-3 percent of the range. I haven't yet run into anything I hate though. It only took me one drive to find something to hate on the Prime (the backup dinging, which I used Carvista to turn off).
     
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    Looks like I may get my wish in about a year. Kia just announced the EV3 which looks like what I am waiting for; like an update to and EV version of the Soul, and more range than the Ioniq5
    Ray
     
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    summary: avoid Hyundai and Kia, they’re trouble-prone, disposable cars. One mechanic’s opinion I guess, but…
     
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  9. Zed Ruhlen

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    Well of course YMMV. I know that Hyundai/Kia have a couple of pretty serious engine issues but then so has Toyota (3.0/3.3 head gasket, Previa 2.4 SC head gasket, 2.4 engine sludge, etc.). And I am aware that they are not as reliable as Toyota but I think that buying any used car with over 100k miles is likely to exhibit many of these issues. I used to own a 94 Corolla and I considered it quite reliable but here's what I replaced on it in the 125k I owned it: alternator, front and rear brakes (rear x2), left axle (apparently prone to CV failure), thermostat housing, power steering hoses, struts, control arm bushings, sway bar bushings, tie rod ends. We lived on a gravel road, go figure that suspension parts would take a beating. And the trim was really prone to failure. The reason I sold it was because the car locked my 2 year old in the car on a hot afternoon when I was picking him up from daycare. The keys were in the car at the time so I couldn't unlock it and had to break a window. That was inexcusable and I sold it a week later.

    As you go down in prices you typically see an increase in repairs. They are built to a price point and it shows.
     
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    Yeah maybe quality is slipping with all of manufacturers. Corner cutting abounds. "Who sucks less" is the criteria now.
     
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    The "who sucks less" could still be way better than cars from decades ago.
     
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    no question in my mind. 70's and 80's cars rarely made 100,000 miles without expensive repairs
     
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    Hey, I resemble that remark :sneaky: You know, we really could use a Hyundai Ioniq expert around here. If they also know something about Priuses, well that's all for the better.:whistle:..
     
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    Everyone I know who owns a Hyundai or Kia I ask how they like it. They enthusiastically reply they LOVE it! Then I ask them how often it's in the shop. And without fail, they always reply "well, yeah, all the time, that's the one bad thing about it."

    Had my PP 7 years and other than maintenance, had only one thing go wrong.

    Don't know if Hyundai/Kia EVs are any better or not, but while people seem to love their Hyundais/Kias, they also seem to be at the mechanic's an awful lot.
     
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    I saw a YouTube video on "The Malaise Era" that described the cars of the 70's and 80's. Of course, cars before then also had their own issues and rarely made it much beyond the 100K mile mark.
     
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    So a couple of months in and I'm really loving the Ioniq 5. SOOO many things that pissed me off about the Prime are solved. There's no engine so it never turns on for random reasons. If the battery is full and I'm going down a hill it just uses the friction brakes instead. Prime should do the same. When you turn the car off it puts it in "park" just like the Prime but ALSO applies the parking brakes like the Rav4 Hybrid, it always annoyed me that the Prime wouldn't do that while the Rav4 would. I mean it's the same basic car (besides the extra large battery).

    It doesn't force the recirculation when you turn on the AC. And it remembers your setting, so if you HAVE recirculated air turned on it stays turned on but if it is off it stays off.

    I get that I have a bigger battery but the EV is sooo efficient. I had to charge the Prime almost every day and even then it often didn't make it through the day (we have hills here) but the Ioniq just goes and goes and goes. A trip that would have killed the Prime's range doesn't use as much power in the Ioniq. Which is weird because it is a much bigger and heavier car.

    Still no rear wiper but YOU CAN SEE OUT THE BACK OF THE CAR!! That god awful rear window in the Prime is stupid beyond belief. The gear selector is much better but still pretty bad. But the one in the Prime is stupendously stupid. What's with the park button not part of the shifter Toyota?

    Cool feature: when you change the lights or the wipers there's a pop up on the dash that shows the position the switch is in. That is so cool. Did I put it on intermittent or not? It will just tell you. The gauge cluster is in where it should be!! I know that the new Prime has that cluster by the window (but too low) but I always hated the "look to the right" to see the gauge cluster.
     
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    To state the obvious: without an engine, engine braking isn't possible. I wonder: how do electric vehicles deal with LONG hills, the ones where brakes can start smoking?
     
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    good question. the smart thing for a driver in those areas would be to leave a lot of room in the battery available
     
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    I had a co-worker with an older Kia Soul and he loved it....never complained about any issues with it.

    To my dismay, last year, my adult daughter and husband decided to trade in her paid-off 2016 Mazda CX-5 for a 2021 Hyundai Palisade with 35,000 miles. I had done all the maintenance on the Mazda and loved it....as easy to work on as a Toyota and ran great...she was just under 80,000 miles.

    The Palisade? Well, good thing it still has the factory warranty. Within a month, the collision avoidance radar system starting going nuts, even hitting the brakes while she was driving for no reason....made her afraid to drive it. When her husband called the dealer, they said there were booked up for a few weeks but he said to give her a loaner because it wasn't drivable and they changed their tune and got it in a few days later. (Front sensor needed replacing.) I've done a few oil changes and really don't like that GDI engine...oil seems to get dirty REAL quick and it's old-school so takes 5W-30 but I only use full-synthetic in it and change it every 6-months or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first.

    One thing we learned about their Hyundai 10-year warranty is that they only transfer it to a 5-year warranty to the new owner when the vehicle is resold...which is worrisome.
     
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    Perhaps having large wheels with low profile tires is not just aesthetics. It allows a larger than normally required brake to resist heat fade on those occasions.

    I can see trucks made for mountain use being equipped with resistor banks like locomotives have.

    Is it possible to have the motors apply reverse torque to control speed down a slope? Energize the motor to work against the forward spin of the wheels.

    edit: Could use eddy current brakes in applications where resistors aren't enough. It's what roller coasters use.
    https://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/motion_controls/clutches_brakes/electric_brakes
     
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