So I really want to squeeze out a little more range on my EV. The majority of my commutes are around 20 miles and I can charge in between for free, so if I could get a little more range I’d be in really good shape. Unfortunately a newer prime is out of the question. I’ve looked into it a little bit. I’ve seen the nexcells as maybe some kinda of option. I’ve also thought about just getting a second standard PiP battery and either having them in parallel or maybe a switch between them and running one then the other and flipping the switch after one is fully charged. I’m also willing to just build a whole new battery from 21700 cells. The main issue is I can’t find enough information about what needs to be considered outside of the battery itself. Like I know there is a lot of electronic components with a batter management system and other stuff and I just can get enough info about what needs to be considered with all that in order for me to give it a go. any info at all or links worth looking into would be appreciated.
welcome! and unfortunately, you won't. no one has successfully accomplished this because of the nightmare of toyota proprietary software, and the mishmash of everything else involved. everything in the car is built around the size of the battery. it would take a dedicated electrical engineer, an expert software hacker and a labor of love (not to mention expense) that's why i'm trading for a bolt. used ev prices are dropping, and an old leaf might be an even swap for your pip. all the best!
Never say never. The challenge is doing it for less than it would cost to trade for a used Prius Prime- cheapest ones are around 20k now. Plugins like yours seem to be trading for around 12k. Can you get yours to do what you want for less than $8k?
Would even having a second PiP battery not be an option. What if it was hooked up with like a switch where they were used separately. One charges for 2 hrs. Switch flips the other charges for 2 hrs. When one gets low, flip the switch the other gets used. I’ve looked into other options and it does seem too complicated to be affordable and or dangerous. But this seems like a realistic solution to me. Albeit not ideal. It would work I’d think. Thoughts?
the switch would also have to be incorporated in the car wiring harness for operational use. and you should probably upgrade the suspension
I very rarely have passengers or cargo. And when I do they are small children. I think weight wise I’d be okay. But I’m not opposed to upgrading the suspension. I replaced the rear struts on my last Prius. Wasn’t very hard. I’m thinking if I were to try to go the switch route, I’d basically try to build so it mirrors the original in every way. A new set of fans and any other components needed so that when you switch the second battery has all the same cooling aspects as the original.
let's just say... I now have 8.8kWh worth of battery cells for my 2013 PIP and should get a similar EV range like a 2020 Prime on a full charge... Prius Plug-In HV Battery Upgrade from 4.4kWh to 8.8kWh - black_jmyntrn
So you just swapped a 8.8kWh prime battery for the 4.4kWh PiP battery? That would really be exactly what I need. Can you provide any more detail in the process. Any different management system or cooling system? Same inverter? Any changes needed other than the battery swap?
ohh no, the battery's physical size is too drastic for a 1:1 swap. heh, I have them both and it wouldn't work as easily as one would think. These are new cells with the physical dimensions of the PIP 4.4 just with 8.8kWh. I need some more time, this Cali hurricane put a damper on things but once I know more, rest assured I will let the knowledge flow out.
I have a phev 2013 with 14km range. I am thinking about to build a new Lifepo4 pack from 108 cells 3.2V 30Ah 10kWh (~60km) which would be enough to reach annual 80% EV/Gas ratio on my car. Current pack is 4.4kWh 345V, 288cells 3.6V, I guess in 96s3p. new pack would be10kWh 345V, 108cells 3.2V in serial. on each 36th cell original module measurement can be used. liion an lifepo4 batteries have very similar characteristics, only their voltages differ but measurement of the pack could not be in cell level i think, on module level new modules will almost be the same. This way i think computer would not get deviant voltages. new cells would be about 67kg, old is 71kg. I think the new pack would fit in the place of old one. the cost of lifepo4 cells would be about 1500-1700 EUR from Aliexpress. What do you think? I should get somewhere a dead pack first as a connector/sensor donor because i don't want to live without car for weeks. (sodium ion probably would not be good due to its different characteristics however it would be the safest solution.)
link to the battery? are the terminals in the same position as oe? at quick look I'm saying no it wont work because the cell count and volts don't match. you have to use the exact same everything other than the battery capacity for it to work...
If was a DIY project that was easy there would be more info about it available. A high voltage DC switch is called a high voltage DC contactor. Contactor - Wikipedia Battery University Homepage Oh f ----- and youtu.be/1zaV-JSwzzA
I would not want to use original case so cell size is not a problem if not too big. The most important info i miss that how battery voltage is metered in the orig pack. If there are cell level metering then i should trick the sensors with fake voltage generated by a microcontroller & some electronics but it needs more work, more money and much more time that i don't have. This way the orig battery's voltages could be emulated for the car, and any kind of battery could be in the pack if the new pack gives the same total voltage and enough amps. I am not meet the rules yet here to post a link but you can find it on Aliexpress by searching "30ah lifepo4"
you don't have to trick it to do anything... I already told you the key, you just have to follow the words.
