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  1. bwilson4web

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    Every now and then there is a story or study that seems incredulous like: Swapping red meat for herring, sardines and anchovies could save 750,000 lives, study suggests | Meat | The Guardian

    Swapping red meat for forage fish such as herring, sardines and anchovies could save 750,000 lives a year and help tackle the climate crisis, a study suggests.

    Mounting evidence links red meat consumption with a higher risk of disease in humans as well as significant harm to the environment. In contrast, forage fish are highly nutritious, environmentally friendly and the most abundant fish species in the world’s oceans.

    While research has shown the benefits of forage fish, until now it has been unclear to what extent they might cut the global burden of disease if substituted for red meat. Now a team of Japanese and Australian researchers have an answer after conducting the largest analysis of its kind, involving data from more than 130 countries.

    Swapping red meat for forage fish could prevent 750,000 deaths a year and significantly reduce the prevalence of disability as a result of diet-related disease, they found.

    Adopting this type of diet would be especially helpful for low- and middle-income countries, where these fish are cheap and plentiful, and where the toll taken by heart disease in particular is high, the researchers added.
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    Before criticizing, we need to read their paper. Just, I have a full plate of things to do and at 74 years, it may be too late for me:
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    Wouldn't a story or study have to become sentient before it could be incredulous?
     
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    Yes but this English:


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    looks disgusting, except the crackers
     
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    You don't need to eat fish directly... Omega 3 fish oil pills have been clinically proven to increase lifespan so much so that someone with a cigarette addiction who takes fish oil has the same longevity as a non-smoker who doesn't take Omega 3. Once I saw the studies I went and bought some because I never eat fish or meat and noticed right away that my anxiety went away for the day after taking it. And added benefit that's backed up by clinical studies: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/omega-3-fatty-acids-for-mood-disorders-2018080314414

    Here's the most articulate scientist I've watched speak on this subject:

     
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    Sorry to be 'that guy' but considerations remain on this subject:

    Fish Oil Benefits and Side Effects

    Omega-3 Fatty Acids - Health Professional Fact Sheet


    Circling back, I am not convinced there is much health risk of mercury ingestion from OTC supplements. Fish 'going in' are not high on food chains and thus not bio accumulating Hg. But it would be perfectly easy to test all of them for Hg content. Literally thousands of labs worldwide have one of the two gadgets suitable to measure. It may even have been done. Somebody ought to search that I guess.
     
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    Lol, your first link has some guy named Dr. Laffin that claims one clinical study had a flawed placebo... And then he raise the concerns of taking too much. Hardly a thorough analysis of all the clincal studies. I'm laughing and Dr. Laffin who's a cardiologist, not someone with expertise in the history of clinical studies of Omega 3 fish oil. Also the picture of him makes me think I don't trust him one bit.

    Your second link actually does a great job at looking at all the many uses for treating health issues with Omeg 3 and which ones show postitive results and whic ones are less certain. But didn't see what you wanted us to see in that link that claims its worthless. Both links actually spend more time speaking of its benefits than it detriments or ineffectiveness.
     
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    any clinical studies links? i'm always wary of people making claims on youtube
     
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    I never dissuade taking omega 3 supplements. Health benefits have been shown and health risks are probably close to zero. They may fall short of super, and OTC vs. prescribed formulations appear to differ in efficacy. I would only hope readers to inform their decisions.

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    Marine fishing fleets 'net' as they do, and a lot of bycatch is not saleable as meat. Part of that bycatch is now converted to saleable omega 3 supplements.

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    Amazon tells me omega 3 supplements cost USD$ 0.1 to 0.7 per day (on your side of world), and if you have a more expensive preferred product, just tell us.

    Marine fish netting is both large and inaccurate. Monetizing bycatch in this way adds to monetizing for pet foods. In no way do I oppose it. Y'all just need to make your own choices based on Youtube videos, or deeper study.
     
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    Better than:
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    I like sardines but packed in mustard, not so good. The original fish sandwich:
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    I also love sashimi:
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    Best would be non of either, some doctors i know eat a vegan diet. As an environmentally concerned person i try to eat as vegan as possible to reduce my impact on the environment, but everybody has to make their own choices, as you are a fisherman yourself ;) - you know where the fish comes from and how it is to kill.
     
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    spam is delicious
     
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    Wow that is actually food!
    Is this where the internet word "spam" comes from? :LOL:
     
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    Yes, by way of Monty Python.
     
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    Pretty much anything can be eaten if sufficiently fried, rolling in flower is optional, or correctly prepared:
    • Clean the carp
    • Put in a paper bag with cattle manure
    • Cook at 350 degrees for an hour
    • Eat the bag
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    I push to get about 5 servings of fish per week. I don't always get there.

    I try to hold red meat to about 5 servings per month. That hasn't been hard to limit. We pay for the good stuff.

    We have pretty much raised our daughter on fish and eggs so far, but the hot dogs etc are starting to sneak in.
     
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    "Pretty much anything can be eaten if sufficiently fried..."

    Don't listen to him!
     
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    if you're hungry enough...
     
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    Team Fish has put its cards down for Wednesday. Where is Team Meat?