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    Over 40 Percent of Toyotas Sold in Canada Are Electrified Vehicles - The Car Guide.

    Pretty impressive that more than 2 out of every 5 vehicles (almost 44%) was electrified and most of them were hybrids. If you examine the Toyota Canada press release, some of the results are even more impressive.

    Record Electrified Vehicle Sales Power Toyota Canada Inc. to Strong 2023

    67% of Lexus sales were built in Canada. Low hanging fruit because Lexus biggest sellers are made there, like the RX and RX Hybrid (up 237.1% YoY) as well as the NX and NX Hybrid (up 20% YoY). In fact the NX Hybrid, RX Hybrid and other Lexus hybrids accounted for 55% of all Lexus sales. If you calculate the NX Hybrid and RX Hybrid sales alone they make up 69% of all Lexus Canada electrified sales.

    Too bad they didn't differentiate specific sales for plug-in better, well except for the bZ4X. At least Toyota Canada is starting to report actual numbers.
     
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    "Electrified" I gather includes all the cars with engine propulsion plus battery assist. A little less dramatic, but a start. (y)
     
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    It puts Toyota profoundly further ahead phasing out ICE over the "all in" legacy automakers.
     
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    Yet Canada is a puny market. China in comparison is huge, where Toyota was nearly kicked out because they wouldn't build electric cars. Fortunately China forced their hand & hopefully the rest will be history.
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    That has nothing to do with "all in" legacy automakers.
     
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    It has to do with Legacy automaker Toyota being all in
     
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    almost all of Toyota's "electrified" offerings have ice's in them. How do you phase out the ice in a hybrid? Or worse, how can you say people want hydrogen cars more than BEVs when so few are sold comparitively.

    I don't think ice cars should be phased out quickly, but we should be honest about toyota's point of view.
     
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    And that number will keep increasing as Toyota phases out ICE-only models and offer only hybrids as the entry level powertrain (except for Tundra and Tacoma. I suspect those will still offer a gas version until the 2035 deadline and maybe any future sports cars).
     
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    It actually covers basic mild hybrids with no assist in most discussions. As long as you sell some plug ins, a mild hybrid can be offered in China.
     
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    I get the feeling governments are making lofty promises/predictions, that we'll be "all electric", say by 2035 (or similar). And manufacturers are pushing terminology that muddies the water, lumps in any-and-all gassers with electric assist, hoping that'll approximate compliance?

    Personally I'm very skeptical, don't think the goals and time limits are practical.
     
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    I agree. Electrification is good but I don't think the timelines are reasonable. They do want to be net zero by 2050 so that's why 2035 was chosen (to allow 15 years of the last ICE car to go through its industry average lifecycle).

    But, "all-electric" allows PHEV. Honestly, this is ok imo. I'm sure some hardcore EV owners will be mad about it but they're not the ones living in those people's lives who prefer or need a PHEV over a BEV. I think there's a minimum range for PHEV too (something like 80km?)
     
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    Yeah Plug-Ins are a very good bridge. (y)
     
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    Transitions from one technology to another are not done instantly but when combined with greatly improved features and lower costs, the change happens very quickly. For example, I have a mental image of Rohingya refugees fleeing to Bangladesh and one carried a portable solar array to charge their cell phone.

    I bought my first Prius to cut my cost per mile by nearly half. I bought my first PHEV to cut it by nearly half again but with a range extender since there was no practical charging network. Then my BEV to cut it by half again with AutoPilot/FSD and the SuperCharger network. Notice saving operating cost drove me to new technology.

    When a government initiative leads to improved technology . . . GOOD! But mandates are less effective than pocket book economics.

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    I agree with the idea of phev being electric, but hybrids without a plug that just is about efficiency not moving to a different power source.

    I am unsure of range requirements or efficiency requirements in the markets. I see canadian regulations offer partial credits for ranges as low as 35 km today, but it goes up to 50 km in 2027, not sure in later years. I would think partial for 35km and a certain power electric efficiency would be a better regulation.
     
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