I am just curious to see how successful the posters on PC think Toyota's new Tundra will be? In the word's of Toyota's Jim Press" the biggest, bad-nice person truck on the planet". Toyota's 'Team Tundra' is ready for a tussle Group works to eliminate pinch points before launch Mark Rechtin | | Automotive News / December 18, 2006 - 1:00 am LOS ANGELES -- Just inside the doorway to the Tundra launch team's ranch-style war room is a sign of Toyota's take-no-prisoners attitude about the new pickup. Pasted to the wall is one of those "Calvin" decals that truckers slap on their vehicles. Except that in this case, the cartoon figure is stomping on the logos of the Chevy bow tie, Ford oval and Dodge Ram. Toyota used to be modest about its plans to sell full-sized pickups. No more. After two misfires, the automaker is ready for a tussle in the truck wars. The war room proves it although the "Calvin" decal was removed after a reporter saw it. Typically, the company has sold 100,000 to 120,000 Tundras annually. But for the redesigned model, which debuts in February, Toyota has targeted 200,000 units in its first year. The eventual goal is closer to 300,000. The only way to reach that volume is by stealing customers from domestic competitors. As reported, Toyota is spending more than $100 million - huge by Toyota standards - to launch the redesigned pickup. To get it right, the company created a dedicated team. Normally, departments such as marketing, product planning, distribution and public relations operate separately. They communicate, of course, but stay fairly autonomous. Not so with the new Tundra. Each department assigned an employee to the launch. The group of 14 managers and employees operate in the war room three days of the week. They work in their own departments the two other days. 'Truck Territory' "Team Tundra" was created by Jim Farley, Toyota Division's vice president of marketing. And it consists of some of Toyota's rising stars. "For a launch this important, departments like incentives, distribution and promotions need to be linked to each other," Farley says. "It's like the start of a separate truck division." It's not your typical Toyota office. The team has created its own corral within Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. headquarters in Torrance, Calif. Entering the war room, one passes under a ranch-style entrance branded with "Truck Territory." The usual Steelcase desks are framed with crude two-by-fours. A visitor nearly trips over a stray target ramp for a beanbag-toss game. Pictures of Tundras in serious work mode are scattered about the walls. A white board contains hastily written briefing notes. Each manager has a desk at the window. Unlike the rest of Toyota, wearing blue jeans to work on Fridays is allowed. A common table in the center of the room allows for impromptu meetings. "This way, we can brainstorm and integrate our plans," says team leader Brian Smith, whose title is corporate manager of truck operations. "We want to be on time and together at launch. All our processes need to be in place." Toyota has used war rooms - or obeyas - before in product development. Engineers, designers and product planners work together. But this is the first time Toyota has used an obeya to get the finished product to market. The goal of the Tundra team is to eliminate bottlenecks that might derail a crucial aspect of the launch. Mashing the departments in one room solves problems before they start, says Smith. For instance, the marketing and fleet guys want each region to have a pool of white, regular-cab, long-bed Tundras available for commercial clients. That idea is anathema to a distribution manager, for whom a lean inventory is the Toyota way. The distribution folks since have figured out how to handle the extra vehicles waiting for a "fleetail" order to come from a dealer. Similarly, Toyota's Vehicle Operations Group typically handles dealership training. But creating a know-it-all "truck champion" for every dealership required something more. So a separate training regimen was created instead. Working together The Tundra Team also led to some innovative thinking. For instance, the list of journalists Toyota invited to the Tundra's press launch was atypical. Usually only automotive and lifestyle publications are invited to press previews. But with Tundra's emphasis on towing and hauling, marketing urged public relations to invite magazines such as Progressive Farmer, RVExtreme, Trailer Boats and Grading & Excavation Contractor. Leading the charge was former Scion national manager Dawn Ahmed, who brought alternative publications to the youth brand's press previews. Tundra advertising will portray the ruggedness of various components. To help with that, the public relations department ordered a dissected Tundra so journalists could write about the components in detail. Meanwhile, the accessories department ordered extra parts for display at dealerships, so customers can see for themselves what is depicted in the commercials. "These things might have happened over time," Smith said. "But in the Toyota silos, it would have been 90 days later or a rush job. It would have been too expensive and too late."
I just took a wild guess. It looks like a pretty good truck. If I find that I need a big bad-nice person truck, I'll definitely look at the new Tundra. Or and old used Tundra, which would be much cheaper.
Here are the November YTD sales totals in the US full-size pickup market: Ford--725,000 Chevy--583,000 Dodge--331,000 GMC--193,000 Toyota--112,000 Nissan--66,000 Just for comparison, Toyota has sold 97,000 Priuses through November '06.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Dec 21 2006, 09:30 AM) [snapback]365031[/snapback]</div> Don't know. My '00 Tundra is holding up so well that I expect it will be years before I consider buying another pickup. I do know that my brother in law is considering replacing the Chevy WT's his company uses with them next year.
I think Toyota will sell between 145,000 and 150,000 Tundra's in 2007 with that total being weighted very heavily towrds the beginning of the year. One year form now I think Toyota will be scurrying to keep the Tundra assembly line moving.
I think I will hold on to my 15 year old Chevy K3500 turbo diesel for a while. It still runs great and will deliver a good honest 20 MPG if I drive it right.
If the Tundra is competitive, the Big 2.5 will put enough incentives on their trucks to keep the Tundra share down because they can't afford not to. At least until Bankruptcy. So, I don't think the Tundra will make immediate massive inroads regardless of it's own merits. I do think you'll be able to track the Tundra's success or failure by the level of US Truck Rebates and Discounts (adjusted for gas price fluctuations of course ).
i have a run down, well used, reliable 1989 Ford... its good for the 3-5 times a year that i need to use it. its parked at my nephew's house and he uses it about once every other month for runs to the dump (ya, hes 19...)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DaveinOlyWA @ Dec 21 2006, 01:02 PM) [snapback]365225[/snapback]</div> Why was this moved from Fred's house of Pancakes? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tempus @ Dec 21 2006, 11:05 AM) [snapback]365148[/snapback]</div> By the Tundra's level of rebates and incentives or its competitions? It will be a very interesting year to say the least.
I didn't do it, but I would suspect that it's because on a site dedicated to the Prius the Tundra qualifies as an "other car."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Dec 21 2006, 01:22 PM) [snapback]365346[/snapback]</div> My guess, because there were no insane political ravings or personal insults.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Dec 21 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]365049[/snapback]</div> Do those figures include all fifty states? I didn't realize that the other manufacturers sold so many more trucks than Toyota. Here in Hawaii I believe Toyota (cars and trucks) sells more than all the other manufacturers combined. I think it's like 20% of the market. I know its a different distributor than the mainland. I do see a ton of Toyotas. I was surprised that Nissan sells so few trucks. They seem very popular here. Is Nissan's market share growing or are they having troubles? How many more trucks than the 150,000 you mentioned would Toyota need to sell for the industry to consider the Tundra a success?
Have we really run out of Prius things to talk about? Is there a truck forum somewhere in the vastness of the internet where truck things can be debated? I remember the good ole days - the days before GM, Ford, and Nissan declared their own hybrid ambitions - when Malorn was busy arguing what nonsense Toyota hybrids were. How silly hybrid technology is and how hybrids are not the solution to any problem. At least those threads were topical. Nov 21 2005: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=12796&hl= (A question for Prius Owners: if your Prius has stalled) Dec 2 2005: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=13185&hl= (Toyota Recall 2.4 million vehicles in 2005: Recall totals double in one year) Nov 1 2005: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=12024&hl= (What would you purchase: Toyota Prius vs Ford Prius) It's such a shame he has to lower himself to addressing miscellaneous Toyota items in general, including their new truck offerings, on a site dedicated to a hybrid. Jan 26 2006: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=15377&hl= (How many vehicles does Japan import?) May 1 2006: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=18982&hl= (All Good Things Must Come to An End, AVALON QUALITY IS AWFUL) Sep 20 2006: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=24741&hl= (Double Standard for Toyota?, What if these were GM Execs? Do you think it would be fornt [sic] page news) Sep 21 2006: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=24764&hl= (Tundra will stall Toyota juggernaut, Tundra will flop)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tumbleweed @ Dec 22 2006, 10:06 AM) [snapback]365646[/snapback]</div> LOL!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(koa @ Dec 22 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]365742[/snapback]</div> If Toyota does not sell 200,000 trucks I don't think even toyota will be able to claim their Tundra launch was a success. As for Nissan, the launch of their full-size truck and the full-size SUV(Titan and Armada) have both been considered a flop within the industry. The struggles Nissan have had with those two launches have hurt the company as a whole as it seems to have destroyed their momentum. I think toyota is nervous as hell the same thing will happen with their Tundra. I don't think it will initially flop, but will be struggling by the prime summer selling season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Dec 27 2006, 04:43 PM) [snapback]367441[/snapback]</div> I haven't paid attention to Nissan's sales #s for the Armada and Titan (since I don't care about such vehicles) but the quality of vehicles coming out of the new Canton, OH plant was total crap initially. That includes the current gen Quest and the Infiniti QX56. It's unclear if the probs are really resolved yet. It's been quite a black eye and an embarrassment for Nissan. I doubt Toyota could stumble nearly as badly as Nissan did w/some of the Canton vehicles. Apparently, the Quest and QX56 are being moved back to Japan per http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/03/nissan-...-back-to-japan/ and other articles I've seen. I wonder if it has to do w/trying to get the quality back up and being closer to the home office and Japanese engineers to more quickly resolve probs.
Interesting to see how many Pc'ers think the new Tundra will sell less than Toyota is selling now. I am sure the folks in Toyota City would be crying if you are correct.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Jan 3 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]370157[/snapback]</div> What I think would be interesting is to see how many PCers give a fart in a high wind about the Tundra at all, regardless of how many Toyota sells.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Jan 3 2007, 12:04 PM) [snapback]370160[/snapback]</div> I didn't make you read the poll did I? Are you speaking for all PC'ers? Or maybe all Americans.
