Vibration at Low Speed after EGR cleaning

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  1. mikerf

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    First I just want to thank everyone on this forum for all of the great resources. The resources on this site have helped me drastically improving the performance on my new used car.

    I bought a 2012 with 107,250 miles. Upon purchasing it I knew that the suspension would need to fixed. That work has been done as well new tires, all new shocks, and a new steering rack.

    shortly after getting the car back from the shop, I got misfire codes P303 and P304.

    After purchasing the car I was able to get service records from the dealer, that at 105k the car had been brought to the dealer for a check engine light for code P0303. They did a head gasket test that says pass, and replaced all the spark plugs and ignition coil 3. Two thousand miles later it was back at the dealership again for a check engine light and running poorly. This time codes P0300 P0303 and P0304. They ran a compression test and recorded 1:160, 2:155, 3:155, 4:150. It says they removed the vehicle intake manifold and carbon cleaned vehicle. The next thing it says is recommend head gasket replacement.

    In the time I have had the car since the issue occurred, I have cleaned the entire EGR system from the intake through the cooler, and replaced the EGR valve in the process. It was not bad. Valve likely didn’t need to be replaced but didn’t want to get into a situation where it was bad and had to wait for parts. The intake was relatively clean, not as clean as I got it thanks to this forum, but signatory not badly obstructed. There was a fair amount of carbon on the egr valve itself and the cooler was 80-90% clogged. I cleaned the throttle body and replaced the pcv valve at the same time.

    this work improved the throttle response a bit, and I haven’t had these codes return in the thousand or so miles since I completed it.

    I then did an oil change as I hadn’t had it done since I bought the car. Oil was perfect and didn’t need to be replaced. I also replaced the transmission fluid which was basically silver.

    Through this whole process I’ve been monitoring the coolant level and it hasn’t dropped an inch.

    I am still left with the original symptoms of a vibration between 20-40 mph, as it seems when the gas engine kicks on. It’s only during this speed band that I get the vibration. The work above has maybe slightly improved the situation. But I am still left with the vibration and rattle. I have never experienced the cold start rattle I have seen. I’m currently getting good gas mileage.

    My only thought at this point is the transmission or the the damper plate.

    Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Have you cleaned the MAF and MAP sensors?
    Maybe throw some injector cleaner in the fuel a few times...
     
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    Unplug the egr valve electrical connector and see if it starts to run smooth. If the misfires goes away and it clears up immediately drive it around for a while and see if you get any codes. If you don't, you need to clean the intake manifold better. I made mine worse the first time i cleaned mine. Increased flow but it was still uneven because i did a crappy job cleaning the intake manifold portion of the egr.
     
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    If you got silver trans oil then you got another thing coming. Typically reddish to brown is the color.
     
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    You'll probably be okay, but yeah i would recommend a magnetic drain plug and change the trans fluid every 30-60k miles for max longevity.
     
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    Sounds like previous owner saw the writing on the wall and dumped it.
     
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    To the original poster If you send me an email to my name@gmail I'll send you a video of something I want you to see I can't post it here in the high resolution that it is. But I believe the problem with the car then it's in the video that I have right here the problem is from that iron torque plate flywheel looking thing on the back of the engine to somewhere on the shaft of the transmission behind the plate where I guess the transmission innards and the motor generators are I didn't feel any slop in the transmission shaft which is not the original so JDM spec transmission with less than half the miles of my original which was not making any noises or problems when the engine went. And my infinite wisdom I thought it would be smart to have an engine in transmission with similar mileage like 65 to 85,000 versus the near 300 I had It worked flawlessly for about 7 months then all of a sudden a very similar rattle is back like before the head gasket blew originally. But the engine does not miss ever It is running smooth as silk in the video while the rattling is going on there are no codes for missing there's no taste of glycol on any of the four spark plugs can't see any fine missed water droplets nothing and the rattle is not consistent in any sort of way It's all over the place mostly near idle and very low RPM The minute you're on the gas even a little bit the transmission is dead silent take your foot off the gas to return to idle and it does and then while you're sitting there at idle you hear this dink dink dink dink dink dink like a spring it sounds just like a spring is being squashed and then for some reason released maybe one of the springs fell out I don't know but it's costly just to check.
     
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    ASRDogman - I have not, I could clean those but something tells me it wont make a difference. I will try and report back.

    Paladin55 - I did this initially before swapping the EGR with genuine new one. It made no difference either way. If I can get the car operating properly I will plan on changing it far more frequently. The intake manifold was pretty clean when I removed it. I then ran throttle body cleaner and brushes through all of the EGR ports, as well the main large section where they all connect. I kept doing it until the fluid came out clean and then power washed the whole manifold.

    Grit - It certainly wasn't ideal. It likely was never changed before I replaced it.

    Mendel Leisk - It sucks that I got stuck with it. I believe the car was traded in to a dealership, then auctioned, then I purchased it from a mom and pop dealer. I doubt the guy I purchased it from had any of the history. Unfortunately i'm basically into it for more then its worth, so I have no option but to drive it, or attempt to sell it fixed or not.

    Tombukt - I will send you an email.
     
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    Just make sure you use MAP/MAF sensor cleaner. NOT carb cleaner!
    And it won't hurt to clean them.
    Cleaning the injectors are the same.
    All are inexpensive and easy

     
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    Just did the MAF sensor. No change.
     
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    Tombukt2 - thanks for the video. The noise sounds similar, but I can’t replicate it at idle. Only at slow acceleration, basically when the ICE turns on.

    I'm likely going to just keep driving it to see if it gets worse and hopefully trips a code.
     
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    Tombukt2 - thanks for the video. The noise sounds similar, but I can’t replicate it at idle. Only at slow acceleration, basically when the ICE turns on.

    I'm likely going to just keep driving it to see if it gets worse and hopefully trips a code.
     
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    I can also add that today I noticed that when the car was cold started this morning this issue did not occur. It drove fine through the speed and power band where the vibration would occur. Then once the engine was warmed up it came back. I hadn't previously noticed this as I usually start the car and let it warm up before heading out. I will continue to monitor. Still not getting cold start knocking.

    I will note I started monitoring hybrid temps when I determined that the fan noise I was hearing in the cabin was not the AC. The hybrid battery was reaching 110 at times on the temp sensor 2 through the Dr.Prius App and if it got warmer the fan seemed to go into high speed mode. I doubt this is adding to the problem but I plan on cleaning the fan out next. What is the normal operating temperature of the hybrid battery?

    At this point I am hoping that driving the more will present more of a problem.
     
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    I made a mental note one time: driving a coastal highway, speed limit 80 kmh, very light traffic (maybe just us), air temp around 15C (~60F), Scanguage showed temp sensor #2 around 35C (95F). 110F doesn't sound inordinately high, depending on conditions.
     
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    i would say at this point swap coil packs with new and try taking the intake manifold off again and scrubbing the tips of the injectors with e85 and a soft toothbrush until they look clean. I had carbon build up on the tip of my injectors when i did my piston soak/intake valve cleaning. I've seen ali from gen 2 owners and gen 3 owners that small variations in afr will cause nice misfires since the compression level is pretty high on these cars.
    If that doesn't work, my front afr sensors went bad on my sequoia and i had random misfires that resulted from it. changed the front afr sensors (oxygen sensors) and it went away immediately and i found i just had one bad coil pack. Misfires on the sequoia were just above idle and at mid throttle and above 2000 it went away.
    If that doesn't work... try a leak down test with an independent mechanic.
     
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    You should clean the hybrid fan, and the duct work. Fairly easy.
    You may have to pull the top of the battery case off and check for dust and dirt.

    You may have dirty injectors. They may not be producing a "mist" patern which may not be
    allowing all the fuel to burn completely at lower speeds or during excelleration.
    But when it's cold, it using the extra unburned fuel, that's why it's smoother.
    Maybe some berrymann's injector cleaner in the fuel next time or two you fuel up will help
    clean them up?