Sourcing a silicone heat sink grease for engine block heater (Kats cartridge heater)

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    Hi everyone, this is my first post on this forum, but I was a member and getting great help from this site for several years now.

    I need help to source a good silicone heat sink grease for the Kats block heater since it does not come in the kit while original Toyota's kit did. When I asked the Kats vendor to recommend the grease brand, they responded that any silicone grease will work, but that cannot be right since the viscosity and fillers do differ for various heat sink pastes and greases.

    I have read here that when original Toyota heater cartridge was replaced it came out dry with no sign of grease, which may mean that it leaked or dried out, so I am trying to source a grease that will NOT dry or leak.

    Please share you experience here so we can find out what silicone heat sink paste/grease worked best for this purpose.

    Thanks!
     
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    So this is like a pace that you mount heat sinks to computer chips with the white stuff some of it may be gray I didn't even know that was needed for a block heater and you are you meaning a block heater to heat the water or are you talking about a heater to attach to the oil pan or something along those lines You heating the oil or the water? The last block heater I had or that type of thing I had in Western Massachusetts was magnetic and it just detached to the side of my oil pan which we don't really have on the Prius or it's non-magnetic and there's no sides the sides of the oil pan would be the lower aluminum housing which then there's no magnet so I guess you having to silicone glue the thing to the aluminum? And therein lies the problem with the paste or what have you or is there some other way that you mount this You screwing this right to the aluminum? Haven't had the thought about any kind of heating since I moved away from the great white North in 82.
     
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    That might have been my report; that was my experience. Strange though, it seemed completely clean, like dealership mechanics might have neglected to apply the grease.

    When I replaced mine*, I got the new one into the hole first (it’s insanely hard to get enough elbow room to accomplish this…), then pulled it back, almost out, and applied the grease dab by dab on a finger tip. It was semi-clear gel FWIW.

    * After about 9~10 years of very regular use; wiring shorted right at the unit.
     
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    Where does the block heater mount in this scheme?
     
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    On back face, very near corner, close to EGR cooler.
     

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    So apparently it's a hose heater and heating the water okay cool Not really a block either I usually think of that heating the oil pan or something but that's pretty cool maybe it'd be easier to take the hose off mount up the hose heater and all that and then put the hose back on as a unit.
     
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    Honda block heaters are immersion style, simpler. Still, install requires spillage. Optimum would be just slam in immersion style at factory, all of them.
     
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    Is the OEM still available or is the Kats version the only one you can get?
     
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    Yes, it was your experience I was referring to, thanks for sharing!
    I understand that a very small amount is needed as it is a tight fit, correct? I already have two types of silicone grease as described further below.

    I saw on RAV4 forum (since this same cartridge heater is very common across many Toyota engines and models) and read that the semi-clear grease (i.e. without heat sink additives) is used. Some people said that the purpose of the grease is mainly to protect from water and corrosion that will obviously reduce the heater service life.

    Thinking now that a dielectric grease by permatex I have on hand might work. I tested this grease with heat exposure from a heat gun and it maintained shape, did not separate or melt after over a minute of continuous high heat well above water boiling temperature.
    I also have a very high temperature permatex "ceramic orange brake grease" on hand, but I am not sure as it might contain some ceramic additives that might affect heat transfer, cannot find information on that. I have looked up both MSDSs and they do have different flash points with significantly higher temperature for ceramic brake grease vs. dielectric one... The consistency is about the same, they both are grease, not paste.
     
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    I called my local Toyota dealer first and was told that OEM is no longer available, so yes I could only get KATS aftermarket brand.
     
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    Going from flakey memory, I’d say the grease pouch was about the proportions sim to a ketchup pack you’d get with fries. I wouldn’t skimp; if it’s excessive it’ll squeeze out. Once it’s buttered up rotate as you push it in, to hopefully avoid scraping it off.
     
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    Here’s the part no of the Toyota block heater i installed in 2019:

    pu140-00905
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Looks like it is no longer available, unfortunately. I hope that KATS heater will fit once I get it in the mail.
     
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    Sparkfun Electronics makes a good silicone based heatsink grease. On the lower end it's doesn't cover as low as others, but it covers more on the higher end. Most heatsink compounds cover about -40f to 302f. The Sparkfun grease covers from -22f to 482f (PRT-09599). You can order directly from them, or through places like DigiKey - about $2.50ish plus shipping for 5g. Don't know what shipping would be directly from Sparkfun, but DigiKey always has cheap options (ie. USPS), and as long as it's in stock, they ship FAST. I've gotten shipping notice/tracking same day at times.
     
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    This G624 is a multi purpose dielectric grease, similar purpose and spec to the one I already have - Amazon.com: Permatex Dielectric Grease Grease : Automotive
     
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    Searching a little more, found the attached. Which looks very familiar, think I went down this rabbit hole before, when replacing my block heater. I had the Toyota grease, but was curious about aftermarket grease, say if I wanted to relube it.
     

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