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Wow sage-ie's been gone that long?
So regrettable that people with such good input go their own way.
Probably have read some of his technical posts on a Tesla site and never made the connection.
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You run into a few former Prius owners in the EV sites.

Bob Wilson

 

Just to keep this Ol'thread going....
It's Well to Wheel calculations for Gassers. Think Saudi oil tankers, military escorts, those lovely oil refineries in Houston, pipe lines and trucks to get the gas to your local QT.

It could be Solar Panel / Windmill to Wheel for EV's. And every time you see a windmill blade or a truck full of solar panels on the highway,,, The Grid gets cleaner every day

To see what's in the recipe of your local electricity go here: Power Profiler | US EPA

Check it now then in 6 months!
Here's my grid compared to the national average.
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If you back up on the thread, you will see that I just might have been posting stimulated by a post of July 17, 2023.

There were hybrid wagons then, a Prius v. I owned one.

 

I rode in a Prus V taxi and was impressed. It took me from the airport to the dealer where I picked up her 2014 BMW i3-REx.

Bob Wilson

 

Son just sold his v after 230k miles rather than spend $6k on an ICE repair for the well known head gasket maybe diagnosis. Ah for the days when I replaced an engine for $1,100 installed in a MiniVan. And then replaced that 1k miles later when it proved to be a lemon. Fortunately free the second time.

 

Must be a post by someone I am ignoring then. I don't see the comment prior to yours made this year. LOL
In any case, the person you commented on is not like to get back to you.

 

I would love to watch said news. Please share

 

Zombie thread. You are responding to a post that's about a decade old. Hyo silver hasn't been active here for about a year.
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Big fan here of conservation & well-to-wheels calc's ...but lest we forget, wind is not necessarily the giant panacea. Consider diesel Machinery tearing old wind turbine blades down, diesel machinery chopping them into ⅓'s, diesel machinery hauling them to giant landfills like this one in Casper Wyoming - among other places.

So much for 'green' well to wheels. Yes they COULD be recycled - but .... when costs exceed benefit - it's hard to get peeps to pencil it out. This challenge even plagues much of the regular recycling industry that hauls away most of your paper, glass, plastic etc.
https://cen.acs.org/materials/inorganic-chemistry/glass-recycling-US-broken/97/i6

Americans' plastic recycling is dumped in landfills, investigation shows | Plastics | The Guardian
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A Swiss outfit has started using the blades to mount solar panels. But like worn out tires (from the diesels), recycling remains a challenge.

Bob Wilson

 

A quick scan of the original post suggested this might have given us insights about wind turbine blades:

Then I read the referenced article only to find it is a general article about glass recycling:

Americans dispose of some 10 million metric tons of glass annually. Most of it ends up in the trash. Only about one-third gets recycled. That’s not because of some intrinsic materials or chemical property that makes glass difficult to recycle.
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So much for 'green' well to wheels. Yes they [wind turbine blades rjw] COULD be recycled - but .... when costs exceed benefit - it's hard to get peeps to pencil it out. ​

What I've noticed is posting a link without some quoted material from the source suggests ... it might be less than skilled or honest to the reader. At best, it shows an abysmal use of completely disconnect, useless, noise. At worse, it is like FOX trying to fool their audience into self-defeating opinions. It also reveals an incorrect, lazy opinion of their readers.

Repeating myself, I am only 'green' as in 'Greenback Yankee Dollar.' So asking Mr. Google found Renewable Generation Costs in. 2021:

The global weighted average levelised cost of electricity (LCOE) of new onshore wind projects added in 2021 fell by 15%, year‑on‑year, to USD 0.033/kWh, while that of new utility-scale solar PV fell by 13% year-on-year to USD 0.048/kWh and that of offshore wind declined 13% to USD 0.075/kWh. With only one concentrating solar power (CSP) plant commissioned in 2021, the LCOE rose 7% year-on-year to USD 0.114/kWh.
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To put that in context, I pay the utility company $0.12/kWh or 4x the cost of wind kWh. But what about worn out blades?

A coal fired, power plant makes hundred of thousand tons of toxic ash and nuclear power plants make a ton or so of highly radioactive waste. Yet wind power per kWh even with burying the worn out blades is a fraction of the piles of toxic coal ash and highly radioactive, spent fuel rods and reactor components.

No good Prius friend @hill , you need to get a clue and understand many us are not leaf looking, Bambi loving, environmental 'Karens'. Some of us are just cheap frugal folks who like to save money. But you might be genuinely interested in recycling wind turbine blades.

Propose they be made from aluminum:

We've got thousands of tons of aluminum wings in the deserts that could be fabricated into wind turbine blades. Or pull an Elon Musk, use stainless steel:

If it is good enough to make a rocket ship, stainless steel wind turbine blades are trivial.

Bob Wilson

 

Bob I apologize if my reference to recycle glass or plastic vs wind turbine blades was a disconnect. It was in response to the prior automotive well-to-wheels post - which, unfortunately leaves one thinking there are no such downside issues with green Tech - whether it be EV''s - solar, or recycling glass & plastic. So the referenced recycling links were merely to point out that not all of our green waste bins' contents get recycled - but instead end up in a landfill. Ie - there's a type of well-to-wheels principal on many different products we manufacture. Our last 5 vehicles have been plugins - & their primary purchase reason has been efficiency /cost savings like you. Again apologies for vague references that seem too disconnected..
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