Featured Americans insist on 300 miles of EV range. They’re right

It took me a while to get caught up with this one. Lots of interesting stuff.

Oh my! Two of the best contributors to this forum and this happens? Say it ain't so, Joe! I would encourage you guys to work this out. Neither of you is remotely like the one person I've ignored. Not bragging; just saying that I think you are both valuable and it would be good if you thought the same way about each other.

They tried that last year here in Florida. They either bribed or bamboozled both houses into passing a law phasing out net metering. Governor DeSantis vetoed it immediately.

Not as much as a gas car, but still a good idea. (Gas cars have many more fires per mile than electric cars.)
Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires - Kelley Blue Book

It's way less. See the link above.

 

For a 300mile EV that still means that your tank range will have been reduced to 232 miles after 5 years and 182 miles after 10 years.

Real world battery degradation actually seems to be less bad than 5% .
How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last? - Car and Driver
...Tesla's fine print says, for example, that a vehicle such as the Model 3 should maintain at least 70 percent of its charge capacity while its pack is still under warranty. If charge capacity falls below that during the warranty window, then owners should expect Tesla to address and cover the costs of this battery-related issue.
...Hyundai offers a similar battery warranty for its EV of the Year-winning Ioniq 5, with coverage of 10 years or 100,000 miles. It also covers battery degradation, with Hyundai expecting the Ioniq 5’s pack to lose no more than 30 percent of its original charge during the warranty period.

 

That's why I said 5% or less. It's usually higher in the first year and then lower in subsequent years.

 

reading up - & speaking of thermal management - toyotas latest ICE is supposed to be up around 41% efficient. Hoping this will be integrated into more plugins along with more efficient traction packs.
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Hey Jerry. Thanks for rating my comments here so highly. I don't have the expertise you and others on this board have, but I had fun exchanging comments with you all, with very few exceptions, if you know what I mean.

After all, this forum is a SNS of a sort, if the conversation is not pleasant and entertaining or educational, then there is no point in participating. I no longer own Prius or Toyota. It is hard to keep chatting about a car I don't own. I think I will post a few more threads to try to get rid of some PP accessories I still have in the garage. After that, it's time for me to phase out.

 

Salamander_King I also enjoyed your comments be it on credit, cars, home improvements or life philosophy in general- I didn't really care if you owned a Prius or not.

 

But would that -5% a year or -30% from 250 or 320 be something you want to use in marketing the EV migration?

And what about winter in the rain degradation added to the aging degradation?

If the initial ranges seem to concern people, what would those facts of life do to EV sales?

 

I'm in the @John321 camp. Even without owning a Prius, your observations are appreciated. I'm spending a little less time here myself. Splitting between PC and chevybolt.org. There is only so much time in the day available for forums and, even though we still have a Prius, the car I drive most is the Bolt.

Even if we eventually replace the Prius with a non-Prius, I may stick around here with some reduced frequency simply because there are people here that I consider to be friends even though we've never met in person. You are one of them. But I completely understand if you need to move on to make room in your day for new and different stuff.

 

if it's the same as in the 2023 Corola ....

2023 Toyota Corolla Sedan Revs Up Power, Safety, Tech and Value.
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The Atkinsonized version in a hybrid might be a percent or two more.

 

What an outstanding forum this is. Thanks for moderating it.

 

In terms of size/weight/performance the 1.5L 3 cylinder in the yaris hybrid modified for flex fuel, seems ideal for the ice in a 30 mile plus phev like the new Prius prime and rav4 prime. You can go bigger like the current rav4 prime, especially if the engine is going to be called upon in off road conditions.

The bookend on a performance small distance are phev sports sedan is the upcoming amg c63. The v8 has been replaced with a 2L I4 that uses a f1 tech for electronic/mechancial supercharger/turbocharger. Then adds the phev parts of a rechargeable battery and motor/generators. I can see at most a 3L 6cylinder in order to give people better sound candy. The Mercedes f1 engine with similar electric turbo/supercharger is 50% thermally efficient, you can get there, but lower cost is probably more important.

Really even the non hybrid engine operates with atkins valve timing most of the time. The hybrid variant has 41% peak thermal efficiency, the non hybrid 40%. We know in the lab if they turbo charged they can get 45%+ thermal efficiency by reusing waste heat, but this adds cost and complexity.

 

Recently there was a challenge to a Tesla taking a trip. It became "bring me rock" followed by "no bring me another rock." The goal posts were moved. But then I remembered this old video from my Prius days:

Back then, the Prius haters complained about nickel. Today, cobalt and child labor has become the whipping boy. Then Elon Musk yesterday: Tesla to implement third-party audits on cobalt suppliers to ensure no child, forced labor

“I heard a question raised about cobalt mining. And you know what, we will conduct a third-party audit. In fact, we’ll put a webcam on the mine. If anybody sees any children, please let us know,” Musk said.

Musk also highlighted that Tesla has been reducing its cobalt use for some time, as evidenced by the company’s utilization of iron-based batteries for its mass-market cars. The CEO also pointed out that consumer devices such as phones actually use cobalt, so perhaps those who are concerned with the cobalt supply chain should voice their concerns to phone manufacturers as well.

“I don’t want to go too off tangent on that front, but it’s important to appreciate that most of our battery packs are iron-based. Majority of our battery packs are iron-based. Our other battery packs are nickel-based, not cobalt. The nickel batteries use a little bit of cobalt as a binder, but only a tiny amount.

“In contrast, your phones all use 100% cobalt. I recommend complaining to phone manufacturers. But even for the small amount of cobalt that we do use, we’ll make sure six weeks to Sunday that no child labor is being exploited. Obviously, we’re a company that cares a lot about doing the right thing, and we don’t want to delude ourselves or delude anyone else,” Musk said.​

My Dad used to say, 'There are only two things that make a man unhappy: (1) not getting what he asked for, and (2) getting what he asked for.' So will we see them again?

Bob Wilson

 

please remind elon that it's 'six ways to sunday', not weeks.

six-ways-to-sunday.html

 

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Maybe a company could be found that has AI expertise and can monitor the webcam stream using AI software...and if it possibly detects children could flag it for further analysis.

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Mike

 

Recently, I and two dogs took a five day trip for free promotional motel stays at:

• Riverwalk Casino, Vicksburg, MS
• Waterview Casino, Vicksburg, MS
• Fitz Casino, Tunica, MS

None of the casinos were 'dog friendly' so I used my Tesla as a 'kar kennel.' Tesla "dog mode" runs either the air condition or heater to maintain comfortable temperatures in the car. Powered by the battery or while on a charger, it keeps the doggies safe.

Temperatures were moderate but in parallel, I used "dog mode." An old joke, if you lock your wife and dog in the trunk, the dog will be happy to see you when you let them out.

This was my route:

Starting with a 90% charge at home, I drove to Vicksburg and days later to Tunica, and the last day home. My driving segments:

• Tuscaloosa - ~2.5 hrs driving and biology break at Burger King and $5 special. While ~20 minute charging, shared food with dogs and a doggie walk.
• Meridian - ~1.5 hrs driving and biology break at awesome BBQ ribs restaurant. While ~20 minute charging, fed dogs and doggie walk.
• Vicksburg - ~2 hrs driving arriving at Riverwalk Casino and later Riverview over four days. Doggie walks every 2-6 hours with water, and chow while staying in "Kar Kennel" with the dog mode A/C. Free charging at Riverview.
• Tunica - ~3.5 hrs driving arriving at Fitz Casino. Free charging at Horseshoe Casino. Doggie walks every 2-6 hours with water and chow while staying in "Kar Kennel" with the dog mode A/C.
• Tupelo - ~1.75 hrs driving with biology break at another BBQ restaurant. While charging ~30 minutes, fed dogs and walked them.
• Huntsville - ~2 hrs driving home.

Total 1,031 miles:


So this is what my charging profile looked like:

The gray line are free charging. I only charged to 100% once in Tunica to minimize SuperCharger fee at Tunica.

Charging fees $33.75:


I came out even at the casino which is what I was expecting. Other fees were consistent with normal living costs.

Bob Wilson

 

Does it have a big flashing exterior sign saying "DOG MODE! HONEST!" to prevent passersby from smashing your windows, 'rescuing' your dogs, and reporting you to the police?

 

It is in a large font on a big screen inside the car that is obvious from from outside.

idiots will smash the windows just because its a tesla, but they will be on camera in sentry mode. I've never left my dog in the vehicle unintended for much time, but ...