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If it is not ev it is not planet friendly?

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by hyhi, Jan 11, 2023.

  1. McCarthy

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    Read my post again.

    WHEN we stop using less, prices drop, and that allows them to use more. This is what will happen in the future, not what is happening right now.
     
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    You are claiming that they will use fossil fuels at the same rate that we are today. That is overlooking some the factors.

    Cars will be cheap. If the major markets stop using ICE vehicles. Production levels of them will drop. Right now, poorer countries are buying used from richer, because they can't afford new. With lower production levels, the ICE manufacturers aren't going to reduce prices. Transplanting small tractor engines into old cars could work for a small country like Cuba, but isn't a global solution for the other countries. People there may start 'driving' more, but it will mostly be in the small vehicles they are using now, that don't use as much fuel.

    Fossil fuel prices will significantly drop. Again, without the major markets, the industry will stop investing in continued production. This is already happening. The cheap sources are also on the decline. Plus, the first world won't stop using these resources for plastics and chemical feedstocks.

    These countries won't invest in renewables. Well, they already are. Reliable access to electricity is bigger upgrade on quality of life than having a car; it can do more. Like nearly everybody else, these countries don't want to be at the mercy of global energy markets. Plus, global warming is hitting many of these countries harder. There is probably more EV bikes, scooters, and ricksaws on the road than EV cars.
     
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  3. bisco

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    Yes, bicycling is very dangerous, public transportation is a political football and most people like the comfort, personal space and convenience of their car .
     
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    You mean "when we start using less," right?

    What @Trollbait said.

    That and prices have limits. How much cheaper can fuel be and still be profitable? 2 cents a gallon probably ain't gonna ever fly again. When prices drop from lack of demand, businesses stop becoming as profitable. So then some of them start closing which reduces supply. Reduced supply means you consume less and prices go back up.
     
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    Attitudes and infrastructure have greatly improved out here...
    ... and a rapidly increasing portion of young adults are significantly delaying or entirely foregoing car ownership.
     
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    Maybe I need to move to Washington. Here, everyone owns a fullsized SUV or Pickup and drives way above the speed limit, even on icy streets. I think the streets are too wide too. There are a few with bike lanes, but people drive way to fast. I just know too many that are now dead.

    On the other hand, a lot of bicyclists seem to want to be ran over. Recently one flew out in front of me. I had a green light, he had red.
     
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    Maybe, but traffic is getting worse. I can’t speak for your area, but Boston metro has no room for cars and bikes.
    Here in Orlando, it’s even worse. Massive new road construction, but more massive condo and apartment construction.
    Driving is extremely dangerous, never mind biking
     
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    Agree, too many bikers think the rules of the road don’t apply to them, and too many drivers as well
     
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    meh some of these people on bikes driving in this erratic manner are also on drugs.
     
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    The car with the smallest carbon footprint is the one you already own. That said, the Prius with the smaller carbon footprint are the good old ‘classic’ models, not the Prius Prime.
     
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    EVs are not planet friendly, zero carbon, or carbon neutral. They are, at least, pointing in a direction towards being more sensitive to our planetary degradation.
     
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