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3rd Gen Prius/1st Gen Camry Hybrid Brake diagram

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Morpheous, Oct 6, 2022.

  1. Morpheous

    Morpheous Junior Member

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    Rather than creating a new thread, I thought I'd try and add to this thread.

    I've been trying to broaden my knowledge of the Camry Hybrid ABS (Equivalent to Prius Gen 3) braking system and had some thoughts and even questions to add.

    RE: Gen 3 and C1391 codes, where abnormal leaks are detected in the system, would the leaks possibly be picked up? It is likely a valve leak where pressure isn't being maintained the way it should?

    RE: Gen 3, is the stroke simulator only operated on the front caliper system as a fail-safe mode - or have I interpreted this diagram incorrectly? The hydraulic brake booster seems to feed directly into the stroke simulator and into SMC, which as far as I know is a front caliper fail-safe. Under normal operation, if the SMC is closed then the stroke simulator has no effect. Would that be right?

    I'm keen to peel open an ABS actuator I have lying around for a bit of learning. Would I be right in my below understanding?
    - SKID CONTROL ECU and SOLENOID VALVES are housed in this unit and form the electronic side of the actuator.
    - HYDRAULIC BRAKE BOOSTER, STROKE SIMULATOR and OUTPUT Lines form the mechanical side of the actuator.

    If so, where would it C1391 abnormal leaks be expected to occur?

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    I'm just spit-balling here; but assuming no leaks or wet lines anywhere. Brake fluid level remains static - there must be either a sensor malfunction or internal leaky valve. If you find "crud", at the bottom of your brake fluid reservoir, There's a likely-hood some of it made it down into your ABS control assembly and is blocking a sensor or valve from doing its job.That's the mechanical issue side. I'm also assuming the electrical side is smart enough to diagnose itself for any internal errors on POST. Most of these things has "watch-dog" circuits built into them, but I haven't had a chance to take one apart and look at them.
     
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    I've asked if the mods can move #28 to some thread in the Gen 3 forum, because it is so specific to Gen 3 details, and the Gen 4 details are very different.

    Morpheous will probably save a lot of time by looking in the New Car Features manual:

    Toyota Service Information and Where To Find It | PriusChat

    It doesn't have just the one diagram pasted above: it has versions of the diagram for all of the different normal and fail-safe braking conditions, showing what positions the valves are in and arrows for where the fluid is going, so it will answer a lot of those questions. An interesting detail about the SMC and SRC solenoids can be found here.

    The stroke simulator, of course, is only in play in the normal modes: it lets your foot feel like you are working the brakes, while really the computer is working the brakes. In fail-safe mode, the stroke simulator must be blocked off, so that the fluid pushed by your foot actually goes to the brakes.

    Gen 1, for what it's worth, did not have a stroke simulator cut valve. If it went into fail-safe mode, your braking effort just got split between the real brakes and the simulator. Oops.
     
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  4. Morpheous

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    Legend, thank you Chapman. Will look up this article you mentioned and share what I find out (in the correct forum sub-section)