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Tried seemingly everything to increase MPG -- wondering if I need a new battery

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Mongoose2, Jun 15, 2022.

  1. Mongoose2

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    I've tried everything I can think of, but I'm still averaging only about 34 mpg. On the highway, I get about 40. Dr. Prius rated the battery as being moderately healthy last time I checked it--about 50% if I recall--but nonetheless I highly suspect it's the real culprit. What other tests can I do to diagnose battery issues? Or is there perhaps something I've overlooked? I obviously want to be absolutely sure the battery is the issue before shelling out the cash for a new one.

    Here's everything else I've tried:

    - Full EGR system/intake clean
    - Replaced spark plugs
    - Replaced upstream O2 sensor
    - Replaced 12v battery
    - Replaced air filter
    - Cleaned all the sensors I came across while messing around in the engine bay
    - Fuel system cleaners

    The car is at about 160,000 miles, original battery. Thanks in advance for any responses.
     
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    My battery for my 2013 is at 50% too. Have you tried checking your tire pressures? If not, set them to the correct factory PSI. It makes wonder and adds a few more MPG when you have the right tire pressures all around.

    Though, when I first bought my car in January, I average 55 MPG, and lately it's been getting 51 MPG now. I think you might be right that it might be because the battery is slowly depleting. Lower your battery, the more times the car needs to start it's gas engine to recharge. That's just my theory though. (I'm not a mechanic)
     
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    Probably ok, but any recent brake work? You could check how free-spinning the rears are; more info in my signature.
     
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    Is this car new to you, or have you seen a decrease from a higher number?
     
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    Exactly what I was going to ask. If this is a change from previous history that might be a very different cause than if you are new to driving a Prius.
     
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    I've been meaning to service them. The dragging brake issue is definitely worth looking into--thanks for the suggestion.

    I bought it about a year ago. It isn't any worse now than it was then.

    Yes, I keep my tires slightly above the recommended PSI.
     
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    older batteries are not usually a cause of very low mpg's, but maybe a few, 2-3?

    older, worn, neglected enginesand pertinent accessories often are.
     
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    If that's the case, can nothing be done? How would I diagnose that kind of thing?
     
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    low hanging fruit

    tire brand, model, pressures

    12v load test, even though new, you never know

    cabin filter

    brakes as mentioned above

    cleanen the throttle body and maf

    does she burn any oil?

    have we talked about your driving style? :cool:
     
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    Try cleaning the hybrid battery fan.
     
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    How much weight are you carrying in your car? Do you have roof rack installed?
     
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    I checked them out. They seem to spin about as well as the video you posted. Some noise, but I assume that's normal?

    The tires aren't LRR, but I can't imagine that's the problem. I keep them slightly above the recommended PSI. I've had the 12v tested--it was fine. New cabin filter. Already cleaned the throttle body and MAF. No noticeable oil burning. As for driving style, I don't try to hypermile, but I don't have a lead foot either.

    Just did this. No difference, unfortunately.

    Probably more than average since I constantly travel, but nothing crazy. Probably about equivalent to another average sized person. No roof rack.

    Any other ideas? I'm determined to solve this. Thanks for the responses.
     
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    LRR tires certainly do make a difference, and different models both LRR and non LRR can make a difference as well.
    you could try grid charging to rejuvenate the battery
     
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    Have you replaced both coolants and transmission fluid? Also, use Mobil 1 advanced fuel economy for engine oil. Do this ecu reset as well.
     
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    When you say “equivalent to another average sized person” how much do you figure that person would weigh: 150 pounds? 200 pounds? 250? 350?
    When you say you don’t “hypermile” but don’t lead foot either” from a complete dead stop to 45 mph does it take you a city block to reach it? How far do you coast when coming to a stop? Are you utilizing regenitive braking 100% or stopping pretty quickly?
    All of these answers will tell us a lot and lead us to answers that will actually increase your mileage considerably.
    A couple of more question, and please be honest, how much do you weigh? How many passengers are you carrying and their approximate weights? Do you run the a/c and keep your headlights on? Do you live in it or use it to camp? Travel through the Rockies or other mountains quite often?
     
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    Driving style is going to have an impact. Heading to work I average 53mpg according to Trip computer. I decided to drive like I would drive my Buick, which would be considerable more aggressive than the Prius, but not as aggressive as typical driver. MPG dropped to 42MPG. I added in A/C running at higher level, and it was 39MPG. My commute is 80% highway, slightly rolling landscape, with cruise control set at 65 but I set it to 70 on the two MPG tests. Your lower MPG might be from driving like a normal ICE.
     
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    Regarding the questions about driving technique, it's hard to give concrete answers. All I can say is I try to drive as smoothly as I can, as in accelerating and stopping gradually whenever possible. I am cognizant of the regenerative breaking system, but my understanding is the EPA estimates assume an average driver not using any special techniques, and I'm far below that. The fact that I do better on the highway, when this car is supposed to do the opposite, is a big part of why I suspect the battery. Does that not jump out as being strange to anyone? Of course, I'm not doing as well as I should on the highway either.

    As for weight, after thinking it over, I can't imagine there's more than 150 pounds of stuff, if that. That said, there have been periods where the car was basically empty and the difference was negligible. I also weigh about 150, and it's usually just me in the car, so I feel pretty confident writing off weight as being the issue.

    I use the AC and headlights as necessary--I haven't noticed a major difference when the AC is off. I do camp with it sometimes, but I'm not seeing how that in itself is of relevance? I'm not usually in the mountains, but if I am I do worse than the figures I mentioned.

    I've changed the coolants. Haven't got to the transmission fluid yet. There are no noticeable issues.

    Yep.

    I understand that, but from what I've seen LRRs save a few MPGs--not the huge dip I'm experiencing. I'd consider them for my next tire change, but I'm sure there's something else going on. I'll look into grid charging.

    I appreciate your help Bisco, but you didn't quite answer my question earlier--if my engine is just highly neglected and worn out, how can I diagnose that, and what if anything can be done?
     
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    plugs, coils, injectors, air filter, oil level, throttle body, maf, does she burn any oil?

    there's nothing you can test for, you just have to go through each item starting with the easiest, and finishing with the hardest.
    the national average is 47mpg iirc, so you're not as far off as you might think. a few for the tires, a few for the battery, a few for the engine, and you're right there.

    how are you measuring mpg's?
     
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    ATF fluid
    If you haven't changed ur ATFs, u haven't technically 'tried everything' I've gained up to 4mpg just by changing the ATFs. Also, get a can of fuel treatment. I've gotten 2-3 mpg gain by using fuel system cleaners.