2023 Prime ?

The PiP also came out later, and both were treated like a separate model by marketing. A delay between them makes that easier. Of course that won't matter if the plain HEV is dropped.

Toyota sometimes lets models go further than the typical 5 year cycle. The Tundra, Tacoma, and 4runner have all gone years past 5. I think even earlier Prius gens went 6. With the current markets, delaying some models might be prudent.

Picking nits, a hydrogen burning engine wouldn't be a FCEV. Though a Prius could claim it on a technicality by using the EV from the hybrid side for the classification.

 

Yeah… perhaps may be a backward advantage of being in Ontario where we have lousy incentives, which is only the $5K federal incentive currently. However, the Liberals are pledging to reinstate provincial incentives if they get in (so I put a deposit down hoping this comes true), and then in the federal budget recently Justin said they will be “extending” (increasing?) the federal incentive. So hopefully by the time a vehicle is available I will get an even better price.

Once I hear what the ‘23 Prius Prime looks like, I may put a deposit for one of those as well, and then see which one comes available first.

 

My go cart (PP) is a tad too small, and my Highlander is a beast that is too high off the ground.
Just don't feel secure in the PP on I-4 the most dangerous HWY in America.

 

that's why rav4 prime

 

Prime, also, now discontinued in UK

 

Would anyone be interested in a next gen Prius Prime with one of these power plants coupled with it's motor and of course a battery with a higher energy density goes without mentioning?
Heat for the Streets! Toyota Debuts First-Ever GR Corolla - Toyota USA Newsroom

Any Plugin racers, engine swappers around here?
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Perhaps PP would be the first to have solid state battery in 2023 model yr.

Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.

 

No, Toyota is many years away from a commercial solid-state battery. We won't see any commercial solid-state battery on the market until at least the 2025 model year, and the first solid-state-battery-powered EV won't be a Toyota. Solid-state batteries still have many issues to resolve.

 

Toyota has said solid state going into hybrids first.

 

On one of my trips back to Honduras, we were going to have to spend the night in San Pedro Sula because the airline didn't have enough planes to take us on the final leg of the trip. One woman said it best in her tirade - "How can you call yourselves an airline if you don't have an airplane??!!" So, to paraphrase - How can Toyota call themselves a car manufacturer if they don't manufacture cars!?

 

Toyota is a manufacturer of ICE cars. Plug ins, including the PiP, were something they were forced into making. They wanted to just keep making ICE cars. For the future, they planned on fuel cells to replace the engine, as hydrogen may have been a better solution for Japan.

While it seems they have accepted having to become a manufacturer of plug ins, Toyota has not lined up the suppliers to meet demand.

This isn't much different than the heyday of the gen2 Prius. Toyota wasn't prepared for demand, but months long waiting lists did go down to weeks as Toyota geared up production.

The difference here is that hybrids are something Toyota made and wanted succeed.

 

Last time I visited the local Toyota dealership, the new car lot was ringed with used SUVs and pickup trucks. Behind them was a half empty lot. I used to be more than full of new cars.

 

Our nearby Toyota dealership has four new cars, disparate models, no Prius, no hybrid or plug-in, of any ilk. That's an "improvement" from a few months back, when they had nothing new.

 

That's just online rhetoric, coming from a perspective of impatience and a strategy of short-term gain. For those of us who study business and thoroughly research, we see Toyota avoiding premature lock in.

Watching reviews of 4X, it's overwhelmingly clear Toyota focused on different priorities. Speed of recharging and range per charge simply weren't a design emphasis. While being top importance for enthusiasts, neither is for Toyota's own loyal customers. They want reliability above all else. If long-distance travel is rare, so what if DC fast-charging isn't industry leading and you can't travel as far per charge? That isn't what the audience targeted for 4X is most interested in.

Think about that owner of driving a Corolla or Camry generations old. What do you think they will replace their car with? How many families do you know who hands down the old car to a child, then goes out and buys the latest & greatest for themselves. Toyota seeks their purchases. Toyota does not pursue conquest sales as the other legacy automakers do.

That's why taking the time with supplier is no big deal. We know that new plant in the US targeted for a few years from now will be featuring a new chemistry. What's wrong with that long-term investment while leveraging that partnership with Panasonic and joining up CATL (who also supplies VW and Tesla)?

 

In other words, the bZ4X is only intended as a secondary car to a family's ICE one by Toyota.

 

if we ever see one

 

agreed. still not enough sales yet, to make it worthwhile. unless you're tesla

 

That is precisely what some of us expressed concerns about. Over and over again, that TOO LITTLE, TOO SLOWLY mantra was stressed as a problem that would come back to haunt us. I remember all too clearly how smug the Volt enthusiasts were, placing range & power above actually breaking the status quo. That focus on conquest was a sign of what was to come. Sure enough, those consequences of not targeting mainstream buyers is now quite apparent.

Notice what is selling well in China & Europe. The range & power we still mock, belittle and insult here is quite popular there. Look at how much exactly that is happening with 4X at this very moment. We still haven't learned our lesson. There is a narrative of "not ready" reinforced daily here against plug-in acceptance.

It is understandable why Toyota isn't showing preference for this market anymore. We had our chance and didn't take it seriously. Heck, we still don't. Our obsession with range & power is undeniable. Attention should not be on expensive beasts, guzzlers of electricity. This isn't rocket science. It is common sense.