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12V battery Good but Car needs jump starting

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by ppnuwan, Apr 2, 2022.

  1. ppnuwan

    ppnuwan Junior Member

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    My 3rd gen Prius (2010) stopped with nothing shown on the display, not even the immobilizer symbol. The battery was perfectly fine and showing 12.8V (this reading was taken from rear battery terminals). When I try to jump start from there, car wouldn't start.

    Now the interesting part, when I check the voltage under the bonnet in the fuse box, it was only showing 0.6v. So I connected the jump starter to the front terminals and car started straight away.

    The issue seems to be either the 12v power line comes from rear to front or something inside fuse box itself (a fuse, relay Integration etc).

    Initially this happened occasionally but now happens most of the time and only way I can start is jump starting from front fuse box.

    Another interesting observation is that, even when car is dead like above explained, it sometimes come alive automatically with no input from me (accessory mode only, doesn't start the engine). This is so weird. When this happens I manually switch it off as I'm worried it'll consume all existing battery power (Hybrid battery) causing more issues.

    Can anyone shed a light on what could be the problem please.

    Thanks heaps.
     
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    Some things to check:

    • connection at − battery post to ground cable
    • connection at that cable to the car body
    • connection at + battery post to power cable
    • 140 amp fuse built into the + power cable clamp
    • connection of fat white cable connector in underhood fusebox
    • voltage there
    • the 125 amp fuse built into the underhood fusebox

    The 125 amp fuse is very difficult to access, but there are easy test points you can reach with a meter probe from the top. If voltage is there with the car off (or if there is continuity from there to the jump point) the fuse is ok. Stick a meter probe down into the square opening with the green arrow here, or (even easier), touch it to the green-indicated test points on any of those three fuses directly above it. (Isn't it handy these blade fuses have test points on top?)

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  3. ppnuwan

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    Thanks a lot. Exactly what I was looking for. I won't see the car till next weekend but will try these Saturday and report back here. Really appreciate your time showing all little details, such an awesome human being.
     
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    First of all, thank you so very much, problem is solved...!!
    I started from bottom of your list (stuff in fuse box). All of them returned the reading of just 0.7V. Since the fat white cable was obviously coming from the battery at the back, I'm totally confused at this stage what the problem was. Then I started from top of the list. Top three locations returned the reading 12V so battery was all good. Then the 4th dot point. Bingo...! The fuse is so hidden you cannot see there is a fuse there. I wouldn't have guessed there's one if you didn't tell me so. It was totally rotten so I put a new fuse and the car came back to normal life...!! I'm glad that it was such a simple fix and again can't thank you enough for taking time to explain possible scenarios..
     
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    What does "totally rotten" mean here? Was the fuse blown, or did something else happen to it?

    If it was blown, this is where a cautious Prius owner would now be saying "ok, why do I think that blew?"
     
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    Good point I was too excited to find out the problem wasn't as bad as I imagined.

    My best guess is that the subwoofer and amp setup hooked in to the battery might have something to do with the fuse blow up (it was literally burnt with black residues). The reason for the intermittent issue is that the wire wasn't completely ditached so it would randomly work (which made the diagnosis a bit hard). Well, I don't want to think burning 12v battery fuse isn't so bad sign? If you could give me possible scenarios and hazards associated with it, that would be awesome.
     
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    It takes serious energy to burn up, with black residues, a 140 amp fuse.

    I'm too far away from your setup to help much, but if you can find out what did that and arrange for it not to happen again, that would be worth doing.
     
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    Thanks mate, I'm bringing it to a mate of mine to have a look at the end of my next shift. So far all is back to normal however I'm keeping an eye on the battery fuse for any signs of burning. By the look of the previous fuse (burnt one), it appeared to have occured for a long period of time (perhaps years) rather than a sudden burn. Anyways, thanks again, I'll report here if I found anything concerning.. Thanks.
     
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    I know this post is a couple of years old, but I am having the exact same problem but with my Gen 2 2008 Prius. Car dead and will start with a jump. Checked the battery and it is great (replaced a little over two years ago). Checked the connections and ground and made sure everything was tight. Also checked the fuse at the + battery terminal (120V in my case) and the fuses under the hood and nothing is obviously fried. Though my fuse box does look different in the Gen 2, with nothing over 50A as far as I can see. Getting good voltage from the jumping terminal under the front hood as well. Car also does the thing where it starts back up after being completely turned off and I have exited the vehicle with the key. Very disconcerting to have your car turn on when you are not inside it!

    Did you continue to have this issue or did you find an obvious solution? Anyone else have any ideas? Not looking forward to getting stranded again.
     
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    Pet peeve: please do not tack on to a thread and say "I am having the exact same problem" when you're not. The last posts on the thread right before you tacked on make it clear that ppnuwan's problem was a blown fuse at the + battery terminal ... so if you've checked the fuse at your + battery terminal and it's ok, you are clearly not having the exact same problem.

    Which means it's usually better just to start a thread of your own that describes the exact problem you are having, and what you have and haven't checked yet, and what results you got for the things you checked. If you have a gen 2, the gen 2 forum would be the right place to start that thread; the fuse boxes and wiring are different enough you're going to want responses from people familiar with gen 2.