SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Ah yes, the gas chamber. The Marines used pepper gas. But less than a year later, I was taking a cloverleaf in Riverside California when the pollution caught me by surprise,

My eyes teared up and it was almost impossible to see. Happily, I had a dirty T-shirt by the seat that was damp and could wipe my eyes and face. But it was worse than Marine gas hut in part because unexpected but also 'when will it end?'

Bob Wilson

 

Having worked in and for the US Federal government since 1982 as an active duty Air Force senior intelligence agent/special agent/airborne special operations operator/first sergeant and as a civilian defense contractor since 2004 I'm actually shocked at the initial trust and blind-obedience so many fellow Americans displayed during the first two years of covid.
What happened to critical thinking? What happened to questioning authority? What happened to real science which is constantly asking questions and re-thinking conclusions based on real-world evidence and research?
Today, so many American have realized that they've been lied to, manipulated, bullied, intimated, and abused by their mayors, governors, school boards and other government officials. Those of us who KNOW the government aren't surprised at all.
Get the shot and you'll not catch covid...a lie
If you catch covid there's a good chance you'll die...not even close to being true
Get the shot and you'll not be able to spread it...a lie
Go into lockdown and it'll slow the spread...a lie
Go back into ANOTHER lockdown and it'll slow the spread....another lie
Get the shot and you'll not be able to spread the virus...another lie
Wear masks will reduce the spread....another lie, a Dutch study proved it only makes .2% of a difference...not even covering the margin of error

So here we are....a LOT wiser and I'm wondering if those vaccinated who catch it will, also, lose their jobs?

It's time to call endemic and go back to pre-china flu times and deal with the flu just like we've always dealt with the flu. (Mask and isolate people who have it, protect the most vulnerable like nursing homes, and educating high-risk people how to be healthier and have a strong and powerful immune system.)

 

It is working fine as we evaluate the empirical studies and mortality from COVID patients in hospital ICUs.

Since mortality and severe results apply to people like you ... welcome to the "Darwin Award." The more the merrier as the mid-term elections are rapidly approaching. You' all catch it and die or become incapacitated works for me . . . and FOX.

Bob Wilson

 

Wow, you got a LOL from me on that one! Hey, if you want to get shot after shot and booster after booster have at it! Go ahead and wear 3-4 masks while you're at it! My only issue is when folks like you demand everybody else participate in the stuff!

 

A "straw man" argument is what it's called when you argue with something nobody really ever said. #5602 leaves me wondering what the record is for straw men in a single post.

Have you ever had a flu jab? Has anyone, anyone ever, told you your flu jab would 100% keep you from getting flu?

Does your car have an airbag? Has anyone, anyone ever, told you your airbag will 100% keep you unhurt in a crash?

In any statement I ever heard or read from an official talking about COVID vaccines, efficacy rates were discussed, typically as percentages. That's how it's done. Many of those figures got discussed in this thread as they came out.

I still have the vaccine info sheet from my last dose. It says right in paragraph 3, "Like all vaccines, this vaccine may not fully protect all people who get it." I'd have guessed that comes as a surprise to pretty much no one. So where, exactly, were you being told this was the world's first perfect 100% effective vaccine?

 

What you claimed to have heard and read here, is quite different than what I remember hearing and reading. Which means my lie detectors won't be pointing in the same direction as yours.

 

Aren't those actual gas masks?

The particulate masks used for disease control are in a different category, not holding back chemical gasses at all.

 

Certainly, they were full face gas mask. And they do a very good job in that situation mentioned.
Just as the mask available to the general public do a good job of minimizing spittle, particulate and aerosol particles when you cough from getting on others or the standard N-95 or KN-95 does a great job of protecting medical personnel. N-95 mask are now readily available to the public- both Walmart and Krogers were giving away these masks obtained from the government for free last week at their stores.

My example, though a real life experience was a tongue in cheek exercise showing how a good dose of pepper spray or mustard gas can immediately make you into a strong proponent of masking and their beneficial effects- the same as allergy suffers-people with compromised immune systems and medical personnel can well explain the benefits of regular masks.
Mayo Clinic Minute: Study shows masks can prevent COVID-19 - YouTube

 

I have long admired @tochatihu's deep reserves of patience and goodwill.

Mine are not totally dried up, honest.

But I can't match @tochatihu's mild language in "seem to vastly overstate his case". There are all kind of ways to overstate a case, even vastly, without resorting to textbook forms of deceptive argument that we're taught how to recognize in grade school.

If I could believe that @ColoradoBoo had really never learned what a straw man argument is, and had somehow built a post around them with no idea that was what he was doing, that would be one thing. But if I could believe that, I'd by now be buying my third bridge from the guy.

 

You've only boldfaced one part of the problem, and it's the smaller part.

The recipe for a straw man argument is you list an assertion that has not been made, and then describe it as a lie, and let that sidetrack people onto whether you're "providing evidence" of it being a lie, when that's a question not even on point before providing evidence the assertion was ever made.

So who was it, anyway, making those claimed assertions that post tells us were being made?

 

Personally I don't care what your tribe does as long as it remains isolated from those who are vaccinated and practice good public health practices. For example, Florida is friendly to your tribe as well as other low vaccination States.

Bob Wilson

 

Covid sucks.
All I have to add.

 

My neighbor is the head nurse at the largest hospital in Colorado Springs and we've had many discussions. I, also, have had many discussions with my family physician. Three of our nieces are RN's and the father of my son-in-law is a pharmacist so I may know a thing or two.
Maybe some of you need to be listening to actual physicians and nurses instead of politicians and "journalists?" (Tip: Fauci is 100% politician, hasn't treated a patient in over 40 years, check it out....just because you wear a white doctor's coat doesn't mean big pharma can't buy you out....follow the money.)