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Gen III 12V Battery Normal Range ?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by jdcollins5, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. jdcollins5

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    There are several threads that I can find on the Gen II 12V battery normal range but none for the Gen III that I can find. I have also read other threads that indicate lower voltages than the Gen II. In the Gen II threads I see statements that if the voltage is below 12.2V it is time to replace the battery.

    My 2010 Prius III w/Nav with 4,000 miles, according the battery voltage reading on the Service Menu screen, my voltage with only ACC mode reads 11.7V. With car in Ready mode and charging. the voltage is about 13.7V. I am not having any problems and my MPG is right about where I see the others, averaging about 51.

    Does anyone know the acceptable ranges for the Gen III 12V battery? Are they different than the Gen II?

    I plan to check with the dealer when I go for the 5K maintenance.
     
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    lower end voltage depends on the situation. AC voltage should be no lower than 10.5 actually. granted that is low, another thing you will want to look at is what the voltage reading is 30 minutes after a drive of more than 15 minutes.

    while driving your battery should be at 13.5 to 14.4 volts. (varies by temperature and condition of battery)

    you will experience "float" charge if you check voltage immediately after its been driven which is why you want to wait 30 minutes minimum. an hour would be better.

    for this measurement, you want it to be 12.5 to 13.2 volts.

    P.S. with ACC on, its NOT unusual to see the voltage readings you are seeing. even if nothing appears to be on, the switch engaging the traction battery must be held in place so power is going to that from the 12 volt battery is always on.
     
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    Dave,

    I will check it this afternoon after work. I also want to check it with a DVM and compare to the Service Menu screen.

    Thanks,

    Dwight
     
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    Dwight....

    What's the Service Menu Screen??? :confused:
    Is this related to something your connecting to the computer?

    Bob
     
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    About the only way you will know the condition of the 12V battery is to have it "load tested". That should give you warning of impending failure.
    A fully charged 12V battery should be about 13V under no load, but I have seen batteries that will measure 13V under no load, but when even a small load is put on them, the voltage drops dramatically.
    Most automotive parts places will load test a battery for free, but of course their objective is to sell a battery.
     
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    load tests can be done without taking it anywhere. drive the car to charge battery up. then park it, wait an hour. test voltage. should be 13.2-13.5 volts

    then put car in ACC mode and turn on everything

    defrost, radio, headlights. that should give you a good indication of where you stand.

    a good battery will be between 11.5 to 12.5 volts
     
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    Bob,

    The Service Menu screen is one that I learned here on PC that you can pull up on your Nav screen. There are a couple of ways of doing this. The easiest one to explain is to press the Info button and turn the headlights on and off three times.

    From the Service Menu there is a diagnostic tab where you can monitor several items on the car, from handsfree microphone volumes, vehicle 12V battery voltage, GPS sensors, speed sensors, etc.

    This is where I was reading the 12V battery voltage that I mentioned.

    Dwight
     
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    Bob,

    You hold the Info button down while you turn the headlights on and off three times. When you finish, hold the Display button down and it will close out the Service Menu and reboot the Nav.

    I found out today that the Service Menu battery voltage display is 0.7V lower than my actual battery voltage. It looks like it has a diode in the circuit. I checked the battery voltage at the jumper tab in the engine compartment fuse box and at the battery terminals. It was 0.7V higher than the Service Menu reading.

    Dwight
     
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    Dave,

    I checked my battery voltage this morning and found that the Service Menu screen was 0.7V lower than the actual voltage. I checked the voltage with a DVM at the jumper tap in the engine compartment and at the battery terminals to be sure. It looks like a diode in the Service Menu circuit.

    Before turning anything on this morning, the battery voltage was 12.4V. When I pressed the Power button without pressing the brake, the voltage dropped to about 12.2V. I pressed the Power button the second time and turned on the headlights and the voltage dropped to 11.7V.

    I started the car and the charging voltage jumped to about 14.6V.

    According to your info above, everything appears normal. Do you agree?

    Dwight
     
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    yes except the 12.4 volts with nothing on seems a bit low. the standing voltage is dependent upon battery condition and temperature. what was the temperature? must have been relatively chilly. 12.4 is a bit lower than it should be. i will check mine, and right now its in the low 40's i think well, hold on, brb...
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    ok, back...way off on my estimates... its 30º out. and checked the 2010 was 12.7 volts, driven last about 8 PM last night. the 2006 was 12.4, driven last about 4.30 PM last night

    your 12 volt battery is actually 6 2.2 volt cells. on my Zenn, the general level for major concern is actually 9.5 volts. going below this level, you run a high risk of polarity reversal of a cell. if that happens, your battery is officially comatose. doesnt mean its dead but does mean its life as a reliable source of power has ended.
     
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    Dave,

    It was cool that morning. It had been in the 40's during the night and just above 50 degrees F when I took the voltage reading.

    The car had been driven home from work the night before and parked around 9:00 PM. It was about 9:00 AM the next morning when I took the reading.

    Dwight
     
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    I know it is 12 years old tread but may be helpful for any reader in the world who google things about the Prius 12V battery.
    My battery is 6 years old now, I have 3rd gen Prius powertrain.
    Since 2 years ago it is at 12.4-12.6V after 1 hour or more READY mode with ACC mode, IGN OFF.
    With IGN ON, 2x power buttons, it is at 11.7-11.9V
    Headlights ON, 2x55Watts, voltage drop to 11.1-11.4 V
    It never fails to start the car to READY mode even with the Smart Keys system.

    So far it is in good condition although not new. There is a saturated region after 3-4 years when the open voltage at about 12.4-12.6 V full charge. The main important part is it holds the voltage above a minimum of 10V when it starts the car at 60A load to bring it to READY mode. Unfortunately, we cannot really predict that point.

    My current method is to press the power button 2x (IGN ON) and if the Voltage is still above 11V for 1 minute, it is still decent. My old dying batteries in 2nd Gen always go below 11V when IGN ON.
     
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    What is ACC mode? How many times should I push the button? (Sorry, I'm a n00b)
     
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    ACC 1X press, IGN ON 2x, without pressing the brake. In a normal car the limit of voltage drop is 9.5V during starting, in hybrid, 10V when you start to Ready mode. A usable battery should be above 12.2V open voltage, no load after fully charged. Generally speaking, if the battery is discharged, 11.8V no load is the limit before permanent damage on battery started.
    The easiest way is put the car to Ready mode for 30 minutes once a month if you don't drive more than 30 mins in a month. It charges both batteries
     
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