Featured Real-World Electric Vehicle Fueling Costs May Surprise New EV Drivers

Trollbait · Jan 11, 2022

PiPLosAngeles said: ↑

Why?

Water conservation is marketed to the public as reducing the amount of water we draw from rivers and lakes, generally making less impact on nature. That's the marketing. The reality is that the water you conserve is bundled up as water credits and used by municipalities to get approval for gigantic $100 million+ real estate developments. In the arid west you can't build a development without being able to show there's enough water to supply it, hence the marketing. You think you're saving the delta smelt when what you're really doing is underwriting the real estate development next door. As a bonus for your efforts the water rates will increase drastically because as people use less they need to charge more to maintain revenue streams.

I used to be hardcore water miser - even ripping up 1/2 acre of grass for landscaping that requires zero irrigation. But when I learned that my efforts weren't putting a single drop back anywhere I became more an advocate of guerilla-style campaigns to open fire hydrants at night to deprive the city of development water credits.
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I don't think they live in the same state as you.

PiPLosAngeles · Jan 11, 2022

Trollbait said: ↑

I don't think they live in the same state as you.
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Are we only speaking of conserving water on a state-by-state basis, and not in the arid ones?

Rmay635703 · Jan 11, 2022

PiPLosAngeles said: ↑

Are we only speaking of conserving water on a state-by-state basis, and not in the arid ones?
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Making less poop water that needs to be processed then discharged creating contaminated algal blooms is a problem nationwide

Zythryn · Jan 12, 2022

PiPLosAngeles said: ↑

Why?
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I used to be hardcore water miser - even ripping up 1/2 acre of grass for landscaping that requires zero irrigation. But when I learned that my efforts weren't putting a single drop back anywhere I became more an advocate of guerilla-style campaigns to open fire hydrants at night to deprive the city of development water credits.
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Because I have control over my own us. I don’t have control over other people’s use.
I can influence it though.

For example, I can:

A) Show up and voice my concerns at PUC meetings.
B) Present data about policies and their effects.
C) Support organizations that do A and B if I don’t want to.
D) Write letters/emails to my state reps.

Opening up hydrants isn’t going to stop wasteful use elsewhere, it just worsens the problem.

dipper · Jan 21, 2022

With a 15 years grandfathered clause, I am safe for now. My home will be sold before that. And maybe move out of this state with my money from bloated home price.

There are conversations of ripping the solar panels off grid. So they become regular customers again. Their solar panels will be rewired with batteries to never see the utility line for part of the house. Don't ask me how, this is all talk right now. But from some of those "experts", it could be possible.

Which sucks for the neighborhood. That means ulities cannot use home solar panels to supplement the neighborhood anymore, and rely on the grid even more.

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I am all for sticking it to greedy utility companies, but can you legally go off grid? Codes in developed areas, as oppose to out in rural ones, could require hook up to the grid for a home to be qualify as habitable. If that's the case, can you have two electrical circuits in a house? One that is off grid for most of the house, and a standard grid one for a few few token outdoor outlets, maybe a single appliance.

The 186 miles range is likely on CLTC test, but it should be at least double what the iQ EV got EPA here. I'd consider it. The advantage I see with a city BEV personally is the need of only half a garage space.

Wonder what that company could do with the UX300e.

CAFE targets are measured from the unadjusted EPA test results. The previously higher ones could be reached by hybrids, and even ICE. It only looked hard when comparing CAFE values to window sticker.

The big problem with CAFE is that it does nothing to encourage consumers to choose more efficient options, and most car buyers in the US choose the bigger car, or not to spend extra for efficiency with our low gas prices. Ford has competitive hybrid systems, and GM could too, but most buyers don't want to pay for them.

The car companies fight higher CAFE targets because it means losing money discounting the their efficient options to sell them. Ford was discounting Fusion hybrids by almost $10k just a couple years ago to counter the F150 and SUV sales.

The high targets encourage plug ins because the CAFE MPGe's probably exceed them before the favorable plug in adjustment. A BEV gets a better adjustment than a PHEV, while likely doing better on the test. They are also easier to design than a PHEV. More importantly, people are willing to buy the plug in with a discount from the company.
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dipper · Jan 21, 2022

With a 15 years grandfathered clause, I am safe for now. My home will be sold before that. And maybe move out of this state with my money from bloated home price.

There are conversations of ripping the solar panels off grid. So they become regular customers again. Their solar panels will be rewired with batteries to never see the utility line for part of the house. Don't ask me how, this is all talk right now. But from some of those "experts", it could be possible.

Which sucks for the neighborhood. That means ulities cannot use home solar panels to supplement the neighborhood anymore, and rely on the grid even more.

Trollbait said: ↑

I am all for sticking it to greedy utility companies, but can you legally go off grid? Codes in developed areas, as oppose to out in rural ones, could require hook up to the grid for a home to be qualify as habitable. If that's the case, can you have two electrical circuits in a house? One that is off grid for most of the house, and a standard grid one for a few few token outdoor outlets, maybe a single appliance.

The 186 miles range is likely on CLTC test, but it should be at least double what the iQ EV got EPA here. I'd consider it. The advantage I see with a city BEV personally is the need of only half a garage space.

Wonder what that company could do with the UX300e.

CAFE targets are measured from the unadjusted EPA test results. The previously higher ones could be reached by hybrids, and even ICE. It only looked hard when comparing CAFE values to window sticker.

The big problem with CAFE is that it does nothing to encourage consumers to choose more efficient options, and most car buyers in the US choose the bigger car, or not to spend extra for efficiency with our low gas prices. Ford has competitive hybrid systems, and GM could too, but most buyers don't want to pay for them.

The car companies fight higher CAFE targets because it means losing money discounting the their efficient options to sell them. Ford was discounting Fusion hybrids by almost $10k just a couple years ago to counter the F150 and SUV sales.

The high targets encourage plug ins because the CAFE MPGe's probably exceed them before the favorable plug in adjustment. A BEV gets a better adjustment than a PHEV, while likely doing better on the test. They are also easier to design than a PHEV. More importantly, people are willing to buy the plug in with a discount from the company.
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