Wind-Powered Hydrogen Prius

WAY TO GO!!!!!

 

Heh. While the rest of us are losing mpgs whenever we hit headwinds, these folks say 'let it blow"!

 

A full blown EV would go a lot further per kWh of electricity generated by the turbine but it's still pretty cool.

 

What a piece of junk. 80 mile range...... Just get that big nice person windmill to plug into a pure electric Prius and it would be a dream come true.

 

Can someone explain the fascination with hydrogen to me? It's not an energy source, and replacing the entire infrastructure (pipelines, stations, etc.) just seems nuts to me, I already have electricity in my garage. And bio-diesel or some sort of ethanol would seem more practical. But perhaps I've been reading too much James Kunstler, and am missing the positive aspects.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Beryl Octet @ Nov 3 2006, 08:03 PM) [snapback]343642[/snapback]</div>

Right now hydrogen is pretty impractical - I recommend seeing the movie Who Killed the Electric Car? It nicely covers the reasons why hydrogen won't be replacing gasoline anytime soon.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Beryl Octet @ Nov 3 2006, 11:03 PM) [snapback]343642[/snapback]</div>

Because it still has to be pumped.

 

That no troubling pollutants are released from the vehicle in operation. On a sufficiently large scale this would have a large positive effect on urban air quality. All of the other objections to hygrogen as a vehicle fuel seem perfectly reasonable to me though.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Nov 4 2006, 03:03 AM) [snapback]343688[/snapback]</div>

Thats right. That means that you will still pay for it. IMO the only renewable power source we should be spending money on is Solor. It is delivered for free.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tochatihu @ Nov 4 2006, 08:40 AM) [snapback]343740[/snapback]</div>

That's wrong. There are three very troubling pollutants from this car: NOx, HC from oil blowby, and H2. All of them are bad.

A battery electric emits none of these, and goes further on less power. Ask darell.

Nate

 

True guilt-free driving (PV + EV) is in CA <strike>now</strike> ten years ago.

http://evnut.com/

Good lord. I shudder to think what could have been accomplished for that same amount of money and effort if it were put into something practical like EVs and solar panels. A Prius converted to run on today's batteries would have a ~300 mile range, would cost a fraction of this thing's price tag, and would use energy 4x more efficiently... and would be refuelable just about anywhere in the world. But then everybody knows that EVs suck, and that H2 is the wave of the future.

Hello?

Jeez, Nate. How'd you know I'd reply?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(grasshopper @ Nov 4 2006, 07:45 AM) [snapback]343745[/snapback]</div>

Wind has lots going for it too, in many areas. Same delivery price, just more moving parts to collect it.

 

I live in South Burlington and I have THIS question about H2 powered cars. Like a lot of the country it gets pretty darned cold in the winter. Not above freezing for most of Dec through early March. So what happens to the exhaust? It is H2O - water; water freezes at 32F /0C. Can't have that stuff dripping out the tail pipe and freezing all over the roads!
This is obviously a 'try in the real world and learn' creation. I agree that 80 miles per fill up is useless for anyone's sole vehicle unless they rarely drive further and rent a 'long distance' car when they do go over the 80 mile limit. That is what made the EVs of the 90s 'undesireable' for most, can't afford 2 cars. It is also what would make a plug-in hybrid the cat's meow. Run out of battery? Kick on the gas engine and run as a hybrid. 'Refill' when you get to your stopping place for the night (home, hotel, etc). Heck, depending on the route, it would be recharging just as an unmodified Prius recharges with generated electricity that is not needed to keep the car at speed.

 

Water already comes out of the tailpipe now on any ICE powered car when it's running.

It's just that a H2 powered car dosen't emit CO2, or not much of it (gotta burn at least a LITTLE mobile 1, right?) .

Gasoline is a hydrocarbon after all, and the theoretical byproducts of it are water and CO2. Unfortunately a whole slew of other stuff comes out of it at the same time...

The last time I rode in one of these, It was a LOT noisier, especially at low RPM's, offset by the tubo whine when at higher RPM's.. Very cool gas filler too..
Apparently the exhaust is a little colder too.. But certainly not cold enough to come out as ice cubes..

IIRC, there's no CAT either... I wonder if this one was the same one that quantum made in SoCal?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bruceha_2000 @ Nov 4 2006, 07:27 PM) [snapback]343907[/snapback]</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bruceha_2000 @ Nov 4 2006, 04:27 PM) [snapback]343907[/snapback]</div>

A gasoline car produces as much, if not more water during combustion. How much water comes out is not really an issue. Lots of other problems... but this isn't one of them.

That's for an H2 ICE... a FCV does have problems in freezing temps in that the exhaust water can freeze and destroy the PEM membrane. The water exhaust in an ICE is warm enough to remain in vapor form, or at least liquid. The water exhaust from a FCV doesn't have the benefit of being naturally warm enough to avoid freezing... so heat has to be added to further reduce the efficiency of the system.

 

Use wind -- Good.

Use hydrogen -- CRAZY BAD!!

 

Palm Springs, California, a city you may not think of as terribly progressive, runs fuel cell buses that are powered by hydrogen that comes from three dedicated wind turbines on a huge wind farm just north of the city. We toured the wind farm, second largest in the US, and it is very impressive with over 4000 turbines of all sizes. I thought the wind power produced hydrogen to bus fuel process really cool. This is only a beginning; once we remove the dominance of the troglodytes like Bush and his Exxon buddies, and get some common sense eco-survival economics in place, things will really take off. In another ten years or so, we will be where Europe is now......WOW!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Beryl Octet @ Nov 4 2006, 12:03 AM) [snapback]343642[/snapback]</div>

So, you think the infrastructure is already in place for EV cars, huh?

Power grid report hints at some dark days ahead

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Chicago Tibune")</div>

 

A fleet of EVs actually protects a grid, improving its availability by acting as an enormous power buffer (vehicle-to-grid, or V2G charging) to top up residential demand at times when it strains the utility supply.