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If the Bay area is the "modern age", I hope never. I've never visited a worse place to be, and I did live in Mountain View for 10 weeks so this isn't just from a tourist's perspective. Between traffic, expense, people living literally on top of each other and awful weather, I can't think of a worse place to live, at least that I've visited.

 

Oklahoma come close: too hot; too cold, and wind always blows except just before the tornado.

Bob Wilson

 

Oh, there are worse weather places (I hate hot far more than cold), but not the combination of the things I mentioned. At least in Oklahoma, you're not living on top of each other, paying $1m for a 1-bedroom 1-bathroom with no garage and sitting parked on the 101 making believe it were some sort of transportation artery.

 

You are right. Everyone please stay away.
(I was talking about the abundance of Superchargers relative to other places and you ran off to another disagreeable place)

Mike

 

You have all those superchargers because it's such an awful place. If everyone had garages, you wouldn't need them because people would charge at home.

 

Wow! Do you have stats to back that up?

We have so many Superchargers because we have so many EVs.

Mike

 

Tesla's own claim was that Superchargers were to get you between population centers, not for use when at home. They had to put all those in because so many people can't or won't charge at home.

It should be obvious that no one who lives in SoCal would need those Superchargers if they all charged at home. They would only be useful for travelers passing through which means how many EVs are around would be irrelevant. Only how many visitors are passing through in EVs would be relevant.

I see zillions of EVs around here, and many are Teslas. Yet, there are effectively no Superchargers in the entire metro area. All are on the main highways on the edges of the city. This is because they aren't needed in the city since most people can charge at home.

That highway ring kind of circles the bulk of the metro area. Look at where the Superchargers are - on the way out of or into town.

 

There is a Supercharger going right in the the center of Denver, and one into the middle of Lakewood this year. Individuals' legs between chargers don't always line up with city limits.
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Because of the incentives, many people that bought a plug in California couldn't charge at home. In Tesla's case, the early S and X had free lifetime charging. Coupled with higher electric rates, there are probably a fair number of owners taking advantage of that perk. Friend got some free Supercharger access with his Model 3, and he took advantage of it for his daily drive.

There also simply a lot of EVs sold in California.

 

Might be interesting to note the CCS chargers in the same area:

 

But which ones are higher than 50kW?

 

16 CCS vs 7 Superchargers

 

And Tesla owners can use them with an adapter.

It is 4 CCS rated 200kW to Tesla's 3 in the area, and 2 of those 4 seem to be under repair.

 

You asked for 50kW, not 200kW.

 

Actually Tesla in the US for now as far as I know cannot use a CCS adapter unlike Europe instead they are stuck with a 50kw CHAdeMO adapter. I seriously doubt they would use them anyway for as you say it is more useful on road trips. Tesla does have a reason to use a CHAdeMO on occasion in some out of the way places where there is no supercharger, in any metro area I doubt it is worth it. No argument with Tesla having access to the most charge options.

 

read again - he asked which CCS are higher than 50kW.

Crickets.
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And that's exactly what I gave him. Those 16 are higher than 50kW.

 

No - they're not
Go to
Evgo app -


Zoom in - & it shows most of the 16 stations are only 50kW



There ARE a couple at 200kW but they are the minority

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JUST today I saw a post where the newest six-figure plus, limited edition Tesla posted a standing quarter time that was faster than the newest the newest six-figure (barely) limited edition high performance Dodge.....And I thought to myself....
"Yep.....the EVangelists aren't going to make the same mistakes that the Prius early adopters did back in the early 2000's....."

...and then I come back and read THIS thread.

 

You realize there are other networks than EvGO, right?

 

You make it sound like 0 to 60 times matter to everyone. I've had fast cars. I don't want another one. In fact, that fact that "chill" mode is still 0-60 in 7 seconds is another Tesla turnoff to me.