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2017 Prius Prime MPG Decreased by 9-10MPG

Discussion in 'Prime Fuel Economy & EV Range' started by iambozo, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. iambozo

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    Hi Everyone,

    I have a 2017 Prius Prime Premium with about 51k miles.
    Bought it brand new November 2017.
    I was consistently averaging about 53mpg or 530miles a full tank for the first 1.5 years of ownership.
    Now it's down to like 44/45mpg or 440-450miles with a full tank.
    I only drive the car in HV mode, I never charge it. I also live in the Bay Area so it does not get too cold.
    I've been changing the engine oil with Mobil-1 Full Synthetic 0W-20.
    Tire pressure is normal.
    No change in driving behavior.
    ECO-NORMAL-POWER mode seems to make minor changes in mpg.
    Is my hybrid battery degrading that fast?
    I read a thread that someone changed their 12v battery and it improved their mpg ? I'm out of ideas.
     
    #1 iambozo, Sep 12, 2020
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    original tires?

    have you checked/cleaned/replaced engine and cabin fiters?

    is the oil level correct?

    could the e brake, or regular brakes be dragging?
     
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    How often do you plug in?
    what is your available EV range when you start the car?
     
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    Engine and Cabin filters were replaced but still the same.

    Oil levels are correct.

    How do i check if the e-brake or regular brakes are dragging?
     
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    Never charged the car before. Bought the prime soley for the HOV sticker for my commute.
     
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    Already answered.

    @bisco made some good suggestions to get you started.
    The 12V battery could be partly to blame, but it's still fairly new, especially in a climate as mild as yours. But with all the soot you probably have in your air lately, I'd take a look at the engine and cabin air filters first. Then move on to tire pressures, dragging brakes, alignment, dirty MAF sensor, etc.
     
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    I guess you missed what I'm looking for.
    How much of the traction pack is getting used? ie What are the EV estimated Miles every time the car is started.
    If the car has not been charged much it might be an interesting experience if it gets fully charged.
     
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    put her in neutral around 20 mph on a flat road and see if she free wheels well.

    take her out for some high speed driving, then feel all 4 wheels. is one hotter than the others?
     
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  9. iambozo

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    I'm due for a maintenance soon so i'll be changing the following:
    -Oil change
    -Engine & Cabin Filters (Second time replacing these. First set was replaced at 30k miles along with the tires)
    -Clean MAF sensor (i think this may be the culprit due to the yearly California fires)

    -Check for dragging brakes (If this is the cause, how do i fix it?)

    If none of these are the culprit then i guess the next steps would be:
    -Replace 12V Battery

    -Replace tires
    -Alignment
     
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    how do I fix it?
    Again, it depends on what the issue is with the brakes if there is one....
    If you are having these services done by someone other than yourself you ask to have them done.
     
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    Sorry if this is too simplistic, but it does need asking since you do have about 51K miles on the car... did you replace the tires with ones haviing higher rolling resistance?
     
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    I also live in the Bay Area and I can tell you exactly what happened to me and you can see if it makes any sense. Most of the gas around here is E0-E15. E0 has about 15-20% more thermal potential in it per volume. As soon as COVID became known the ethanol started getting diverted to hand sanitizer and there was none around at the gas pump. Mileage efficiency increased 10%-15% without doing anything. I noticed the odor at the tank smelled more like gasoline and less like ethanol, too. I didn't change my driving habits, either.

    I noticed last weekend the gas I filled up had that ethanol smell again. I burn a lot of gas in my weekend driver (not a Prius). At the same time you may have noticed that hand sanitizer and alcohol is more readily available around here, too. I don't think it is a coincidence.
     
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    It seems the first 1.5 years was with the OEM tires, and next 1.5 years must be the new set of tires you changed at 30K. What tires did your have as OEM, and what tires did you get as replacements?
     
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    Did some maintenance on my prius today:

    Changed oil with Mobil 1 Full Synethic 0W-20.
    Cleaned MAF sensor
    Replaced Cabin filter and engine filter.
    Drove on the freeway for about 15miles, MPG is about the same 47.

    I replaced all 4 of my OEM (Dunlop Enasave?) tires with the same one.

    I think I will be replacing my 12V battery as the next step.
     
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    I would get the battery tested by the dealership (assuming they do a load test; you can check the unloaded voltage yourself with a multimeter) before buying a new battery.
     
    #15 MikeDee, Oct 12, 2020
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    Check your brake. Maybe they offer too much friction if the calipers do not move as freely as they should

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
    #16 Mistrall22, Feb 18, 2021
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