FORD VS TOYOTA and TOYOTA IS WINNING

So this is info and conclusion isn’t from relevant sample sizes from various models & years?

 

It would not be a surprise if Toyota won a popularity contest in this particular forum. Suffice it to say that a survey of this type has little if any scientific merit. Individual owners of the various car brands have experiences that are all over the map, so your one bad experience with one particular Ford should not be an indictment of the company as a whole. That said, most surveys measuring owner satisfaction and frequency of repairs that do have a larger sample size and are conducted a little more scientifically do show Toyota products generally performing well.

There is one important consideration that does give me pause, however, in deciding what brand of car my next purchase should be. Ford, as well as Honda, BMW and Volkswagen did not challenge the California Air Resources Board's plan to raise fuel efficiency in passenger cars. Those 4 companies did not join the Trump administration's lawsuit against the state to try to overturn the CARB rules, as Toyota and many of the others did. I believe GM and possibly others have now formally withdrawn their participation in the suit, and now that a new administration is in place it's going nowhere anyway, but I have not heard that Toyota has made a similar announcement, and we should not forget that when it came down to protecting profits vs. doing what is best for the planet, Toyota made the wrong choice.

 

Toyota also announced they were vacating their alignment with Trump's agenda in recent weeks... Of course look at who's selling all the electric car in US now and in next few years and Toyota barely even exists, which is going to ultimately be their undoing.

 

I decided NEVER buy a Ford 50 years ago due to my experience with my spouse's 65 mustang. In 1990 I broke down and bought a Ford Probe (since it was really a Mazda). The only major Ford part was the auto tranny. My tranny failed at 118k miles and I went to the dealer to price a rebuild. They gave a reasonable quote ($2700) but asked if this was my second tranny. I said no, it is the original. The service manager then said "You got 118k miles out of that tranny?". It turned out that ALL of the Ford Trannies failed just out of warranty (60k miles). Ford knew of the design issues and had not fixed them after 15 years of production. Since then (30 years ago) I have never even considered getting a Ford.

JeffD

 

Getting into politics!!! Which I always welcome.

 

We had a Mercury Mystique (same as Ford Contour) which was fine. When it died after a good run, we bought a Mercury Sable, which was horrible. Still, I'm looking to replace my very reliable '99 Tacoma soon and if Toyota doesn't come out with either a hybrid or fully electric pickup truck in the next few years, I will consider the electric F-150.

 

on my 3rd Toyota, this will be my last.

 

Toyota is best! Although I had to sell my Toyota Prius V due to it starting to burn oil, and impending issues like the inverter, headgasket and EGR. That’s not as much of a issue with low mile per year drivers but that’s not me.

I switched to a Ford C-Max hybrid that drives great and has been super reliable. 182k and only issue is one fuel injector failed a few thousand miles ago. Replaced them my self for $30. No oil burning either.

the other gen3 Prii have been a mess in the family! We love our gen2’s! I still have a 2004 and I believe it’s one of the best cars ever built.

I don’t like fords, but I do like their hybrids. We’ve had a few other Ford hybrids and all have been good.

 

More like getting out of politics because they realized they'd be even bigger losers than they are currently planning to be with all electric cars. They keep losing so much their might not be much left of them in 4 more years.

 

So you roasted a clutch and flywheel and it's Fords fault?

Bet you'll love when your Prius pops a headgasket and burns oil.

 

there are no winners and losers, just players on the great stage of life

 

Pretty sure the op floors his prius as hard as the mustang and the mustang crapped out first.

 

Well, you can't do that in a Prius, can you?

I love the mechanics of the Prius (of Toyota's HSD concept in general). The only thing I am craving for in my Prius is more electric. Sure, maybe I should have bought a PIP, but Toyota itself is not moving in that direction at all. The HSD concept is great to combine with a plug-in vehicle. Put a usable sized battery in it (20 kWh minimum) and the ICE is superfluous for most people on most drives but Toyota currently only offers one plug-in model. That's like the first years of the Prius all over again: brilliant concept, just one car to choose from.

My next vehicle will be something fully electric. And since Toyota does not believe in that and there are no electric Toyota's in the near future, it will not be a Toyota.

 

And after 20 years the hybrid drivetrain is now spread across their entire lineup.

They're making plenty of changes to move towards all-electric. It takes a long, long time if you want to do it with decent build quality, few surprises and extremely competitive prices for the resulting products. I have no doubt they will make a fine series of electrics someday.

Sure, there are other automakers doing all-electric today, but the prices are out of this world and I don't see any of them catching up to Toyota's overall build quality.

 

^^^This.
I'm no fan of Ford, and wouldn't own one if they were giving them away and throwing in a year of free gas. But it appears @GoliathMV (or someone in his/her family) is tough on clutches.

 

Maarten, Rav4 Prime might be of interest. 40+ miles ev range.

 

I have a particular dislike of SUV models. And I also dislike that for some reason it needs a big ICE as well.

 

Fair enough. Just a thought.

 

Big vehicle big engine, small car small engine?