BT Tech stiffening plate question

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]333107[/snapback]</div>

How very condescending of you.

(And I believe it's Bupkis or Bupkes, from Yiddish bopkes 'little beans' .)

There's also an apostrophe in Ma'am as it is a contraction.

I'll suggest other posters give your replies the attention they deserve.

As for me....bite me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]333110[/snapback]</div>

Well, if he ever gets to San Diego, I'd suggest he try Howard Sheehy, the Internet Manager at Kearny Mesa Toyota and he avoid San Diego Toyota on Mission Gorge.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Oct 15 2006, 06:12 PM) [snapback]333113[/snapback]</div>

So you're a school teacher and an auto technician? Or just another loud mouth broad with all the answers

Were you able to open the PDF file or did you and just didn't know how to respond?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 05:18 PM) [snapback]333114[/snapback]</div>

I can only be one thing?

I've done plumbing, electrical, tile, stained glass windows and I've mud and taped drywall. I'm heading out to Home Depot now for supplies to hang an unfinished slab door.

I'll learn from authorities no matter their level of schooling (or gender) and I dismiss illiterate blowhard know-it-alls. Just because you have testicles doesn't make you an authority. (And my parents' Caddy is a piece of crap).

Bite me.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Oct 15 2006, 03:16 PM) [snapback]333113[/snapback]</div>

His ad hominem argument is proof positive that he is wrong.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Oct 15 2006, 06:33 PM) [snapback]333123[/snapback]</div>

So you didn't understand the straight axle I guess....? Piece of crap??? They must let you work on it I suppose.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 15 2006, 06:35 PM) [snapback]333124[/snapback]</div>

Just a matter of time before the local curmudgeon rang in....... <_<

 

I see good 'ol Bobz is back... Bob, comments like the one below does not belong on PC. Practically every time that you open your mouth on here something idiotic comes out of it so maybe you should take a little time off...

For your information there are many women that are excellent mechanics and engineers.


It’s obvious that you do not like our stiffening plate... Fine PLEASE do not buy one and simply go away. Do you want to know something else Bob, we have sold a HUGE quantity of our stiffening plates and why don't you take a guess on how many asked to return them because they were not happy with it.. Answer-ZERO!!

Don't just take my word for it; ask Danny that run's this site. A large majority of our orders comes through PC and when people purchase products through the on-line store, they are helping to support this site as well.

Please go away now and enjoy whatever it is you like to do other than annoy people here....






<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 06:18 PM) [snapback]333114[/snapback]</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 01:18 PM) [snapback]333114[/snapback]</div>

This is one of the most frustrating things about the BT brace for me. Those who favor it have no facts on their side except that a car with it seems to "feel better". If someone with factual information says anything which offends, supporters get mad and that becomes the subject of discussion.

I'll bet that the seller of the BT brace is pleased with threads like this because they amount to free advertising

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BT Tech @ Oct 15 2006, 06:54 PM) [snapback]333130[/snapback]</div>

What exactly do you do for a living there Brian. We know you are just another Prius enthusiast not an automotive engineer or something like a few seem to think. I'm NOT going anywhere. This is free public domain fella and just the way you can come in here and sell your placebo others can expose it for what it really is........

 

I can tell you that I don't work for a Caddilac dealer as a "detailer"..

Actually it is NOT a free public domain fella as this site belongs to Danny, NOT BobZ..

As far as calling our stiffening plate a "placebo" that is your right. I guess the 1000 plus people we have sold them to are wrong and BobZ knows better.... B)





<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 07:03 PM) [snapback]333139[/snapback]</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Allannde @ Oct 15 2006, 06:58 PM) [snapback]333135[/snapback]</div>

You are so right. I've offered nothing but hard core facts, data and documentation. PDF's from Toyotas parts manual explanations from GM engineers an I get bashed because nobody wants to think they threw away all that money

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BT Tech @ Oct 15 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]333145[/snapback]</div>

Geez if I mispelled something I'd have to hear it from mother superior. So you're a detailer? I kinda thought you were like a machine shop laborer or something

 

How many times have we been through this? You are not going to get hard core facts on our 150.00 product. The amount of money it would take to do this is cost prohibitive. I have posted the tests that we have done before our plate was offered for sale. I have detailed the tests that we have done more times than I care to recall.

The fact that so many people that have installed them and comment on the improvements it made is enough proof for most. If there are those that do not want to purchase our stiffening plate until there is absolute data detailing the exact improvements then I guess we will have to lose out on those sales.

BTW, no I am not a detailer at a Cadillac dealer...



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]333149[/snapback]</div>

 

I have NEVER seen in a BT brace thread what may be the real reason for this brace.

Right above the factory brace is the traction battery. This combined with a normal load in a Prius could add greater stress than a sheet metal stamping is designed to support.

If about 1 in 500 Prius owners chose to install this modification and that makes them feel better, it probably harms only their pocket book. (Brian has assured us that it won't make him rich!)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Claudia @ Oct 14 2006, 01:47 PM) [snapback]332784[/snapback]</div>

I have two prius's and neither drifted at all to the right or left, but the plate gave more connection with the steering, feels more like a sportscar "like you could dodge a dime" and removed the wiggle incurred with quick lane changes, gust of strong wind, or hitting uneven road surfaces.

I really don't think my cars were simply out of alignment.. they both have about 18K on them now and the tires are wearing perfectly and I haven't done a rotation yet.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 06:20 PM) [snapback]333149[/snapback]</div>

Another one that cant trust hundreds of opinions on their own merit because he must understand it himself before he will accept it.

Are you too cheap to spend the money and try it?
Do you even own a prius?
Do you even have a job?
If you can't afford the plate, you can't afford the prius either.


If you don't believe in the plate, what is the benifit in fighting what so many others love?... are you trying to get everyone to convince you?

Surely, you have more to say about the value of your life than to admit your just a troll?

Your not a troll are you?...

So far, I'll give you the benifit of a doubt.

Its never wise to condemn something you don't understand if you won't try it...
your the type that would have stoned those for claiming the earth was round when all you could see was that its flat.

I bet you were afraid you try your spinach when you were a kid too eh?

Let you imagination soar and break out of your comfort zone...
"this is gonna be really tough!" and take a big chance and buy the plate!..if you don't like it, you can resell it easy enough.... but to my knowledge, like Brian said... "no One" has wanted to resell thiers nor has anyone come out here and said it was a waste of money.

I think you like the attention for rationalizing away something that other people already know.

Maybe you are the kid thats not noticed unless he's misbehaving?

If your're afraid to try anything you don't understand, you will miss alot in life.... have you ever flown a plane?
Do you know how to fly? Do you understand the controls?

I personally have bought two with no regrets.. in fact "like I've said before"... If mine were the last two on earth and if I could sell both of mine for 500.00 each, I would not.

 

I have been following the bt tech stiffening plate discussions for quite some time. Even before I purchased my 06 Prius i was reading up on them. For the life of me i dont understand why there are a select few who have such hostility towards this part. If it was not for the stiffening plate i would have sold or traded in my Prius because the handling was that bad. With the stiffeing plate installed the car feels like one of my sports cars did to me. Much more exact handling and better tracking down the highway.

I have spoken to bryan several times on the phone and I know that his background is in high performance corvettes and I even know several people that have used his tunnel plates on their corvettes. According to these guys, bryan's tunnel plate is used on most of the scca racing corvettes and a lot of street driven cars as well. He obviously knows something about suspensions to be able to design something that is used on race cars. The fact that he designed somthing for the Prius because he has one was reason enough for me to try one and i am happy that i did.

Ken
2006 Prius #6

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobZ @ Oct 15 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]333107[/snapback]</div>

Now you've thrown down the gauntlet! We will have to settle this once and for all. Loser pays for the bagels. We can go to the exact places where the effect is most noticeable. I'll drive yours and tell you when I feel the back of the car steering or getting hinky. Then You'll repeat the exercise to see if you feel it. Then we will repeat with mine. I'm completely open on this! If I'm wrong, I'm buying. Dueling Prius's - the fight of the century. I think I need a life!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ken Stewart @ Oct 15 2006, 05:48 PM) [snapback]333259[/snapback]</div>

I, also have been following the BT brace discussions for some time and I am surprised that some people would purchase a car which they find so lacking in handling ability. There are many much more nimble cars available if that is your priority.

I have no complaints about the handling of my Prius but I want the very best for it. If there was some objective way to know that I could improve my car, I would do so. However, I learned long ago that what really pleases another can be do the opposite for me. The accepted way to communicate about such things is measurable change not sensations which are not necessarily transferable.

But that possibility has been eliminated.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ken Stewart @ Oct 15 2006, 09:48 PM) [snapback]333259[/snapback]</div>

It must boogle the mind of some why there is so much hype about a little plate thats supposed to do so much?

They should try sailing a ship without a rudder and they will understand that size don't matter.
At least that's what she said!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(syclone @ Oct 15 2006, 10:22 PM) [snapback]333265[/snapback]</div>

You're wasting your time. He'll never admit anything that contradicts with the position he's already taken.

Put him on "ignore". I did.