Greetings. Has anyone verified a decrease in EV range on higher mileage prime models ? Or even the gen 3 plug in ? If so by how much has that EV range come down and at what mileage was on the vehicle ?
I think the battery degradation is more of function of age than the mileage. The oldest PRIME on the road today is ~4 years old. There are a few owners who reported decreased EV ranges within that period, but we don't know how universal that is. For my 2017 PRIME, overall EV range actually increased after first two year, primarily due to the change in the way I drove the car. Seasonally, the EV range diminished in winter time 30-50% compared to summer time for me.
it's all over the place. mine degraded about 15% in the first couple years, and has stabilized around that number ever since. 70,000 miles, 50,00 of which are pure ev
You have a different car. There's a good possibility the PiP's chemistry is different from the Prime's.
agreed. but the o/p asked for both, and i think if you look over the prime threads, you'll find reports of degradation all over the place, just like the pip. there is no standard expectation.
My 2017 prime is almost 3 years old. I see no degradation yet. But then again, I only have 17,000 miles on it and 99% of my mileage is EV only.
My 2013 PiP had 53k miles on it when I bought it. 2-1/4 years later it had about 86k on it and still had as close to the same range as I can estimate given variables in weather and other driving conditions. I've had my 2017 Prime for 14 months. It's gone from 23,000 to 43,000 miles. Range is still over 30 miles this time of year. If I just drove local surface streets, it would probably be close to 40. Comparing ranges is really meaningless because it's so greatly affected by speed, driving style, traffic conditions, terrain, temperature and so on. I could easily convert my range down to the low 20's just by going north in the winter or simply by stupid driving right here in FL. For example, yesterday, I had to drive freeways mostly. I got 4.5 m/Kwh. Today, I drove slower and got 5.4 m/kWh. The only independent comparisons would be how many kWh it takes to charge the battery but even that can vary with how deeply into the HV part of the battery it's gone when you shut it off to charge it.
The other day by following the Eco Accelerator Guidance, I got 6.94m/kWh! (New personal record) It was a 25 mile round trip. (9.0kWh/100km or 90Wh/km over 40km)
Mine really didn't degrade at all after 4.5 years and 81,000 miles as of this video below. In fact, that particular daily morning commute delivered more EV range than you'd anticipate from the system new. The point being, set realistic expectations. Some owners don't, then get baffled later upon making an observation they have a difficult time verifying. I have a set of videos 2 years apart with my Prime... same route & conditions... no degradation with it either, as the digital capture helps to confirm. Will it loss some range later? Most likely, but the EV miles during the summer are still greater than the rated distance anyway (now at 3.1 years). So, I call it good.
I drove out all my EV yesterday. It was 21 miles each way. Mostly 50 mph. Stayed in EV till it ran out at 32.4 miles. Engine came on and I reset trip A. It read 65.8 mpg when I got home. Edit to add: It was around 90F, so I was running the air conditioner all the time.
I started out around 29 miles of EV the beginning of spring In northern Utah. As of today my GOM is up to 34.2. My commute is 20 miles round-trip. 80% freeway at 70 miles an hour, 20% in town at 30 miles an hour. Still loving my 2017 prime advanced.
