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Losing power uphill

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by aprius, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. aprius

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    This just started today. I am losing power when I push the gas all way in. It runs fine unless I need to go up a big hill, which i do regularly. It seems that the trans just stops. I go from mid 70's down to 60mph going up a hill. I get a sound (best way I can explain) when I floor it as if sticking a piece of paper into fan blades.
    Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

    Is the trans going out?
     
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    your hybrid battery is probably getting weaker. how many miles on her?
     
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    308,000 + :) Been a great car
     
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    Pre-ignition issue ? (Detonation?) Uphill's load the engine up. Timing issues/pre-ignition problems typically show up on hills first..
     
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    So start with plugs and work around?
     
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    If you are getting pre-ignition, or pinking, you should try higher octane gas first. Use 91 (AKI or R+M/2) or higher. If you are often at significant elevation you can use lower than 91 (AKI or R+M/2). What octane rating are you using currently?

    But in all likelihood, the regular mountain work has taken a toll on the HV battery. Be prepared to be replacing it in the near future.



    * AKI or R+M/2 is used in USA.
     
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    I was thinking I may have some watered down gas as got from a station normally don't. I will run higher octane etc and try. Thanks for info
     
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    How does your air filter look? Also, consider cleaning your MAF sensor. Yes, this could be another HV battery issue but don't forget to consider non-HV battery possibilities.

    Paul
     
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    Changed the filter last week as do every few oil changes and always add Lucas Oil treatment and Lucas Fuel injector cleaner with oil changes.
     
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    If there are no codes then it's probably not pre-ignition. At 300+K miles I would definitely look at the plugs, but plugs do not cause problems like this unless they completely fall apart. I would suspect bad gas if this came on suddenly. Consider draining it and refueling with known good stuff.

    Wow! 300+K miles!
     
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    How much oil does it burn, has the catalytic converter ever been changed, i'm thinking plugged exhaust.
     
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    It is getting a catalytic code now so need to replace that. I am skeptical though to spend that $$ because the battery is still not charging fully and drains very quickly then only charges 50%. The person that hooked it up to scanner said there are no issues with the battery but I find that hard to believe. He also said getting a code for water pump that cools the batteries - could that be preventing it from charging correctly and draining so fast?
     
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    The HV battery is air cooled but the inverter has a water pump to cool it.

    Is your inverter resevoir full and can you see movement in the tank?
     
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    So it seems you have an overheating inverter, from a failed inverter pump. That would explain the power loss
     
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    Reservoir is full and yes and see movement in it. Thx
     
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    How fast does the display cycle between full bars and low bars, starting the engine? What’s your mpg been recently?
     
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    Hello, my car shows similar issues. Some key specs about the car and the situation

    • 2007 Prius, with about 255K Miles
    • Doesn't quickly accelerate without a "rattling" sound when I floor the pedal
    • Loses power uphill, and barely maintains beyond 60MPH
    • Same "rattling" sound when I put on Cruise Control
    • Mentioned it to Dealership mechanic, who suggested Water Pump and Drive Belt, pre-diagnostic. Professional diagnostic would've been more $$
    • Code shows Catalytic converter and misfiring.

    Please help. Thanks !
     
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    How did you get the codes, if you declined the dealer diagnosis?

    There may be other codes the code reader you used cannot see.

    As a WAG, this does sound more like your HV (hybrid vehicle) battery getting very weak. In addition, the misfire could be related to that or could be a separate issue that cleaning the throttle body and MAF may fix. A poorly performing ICE can contribute P0420 (if that the code to which you are alluding).

    If you can get the codes read and get all of them that have been set, we can give more specific advice.
     
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    I'm not aware of a way for a weak traction battery to cause engine misfiring. Misfires will usually be caused by the usual suspects. Codes about the catalytic converter might reflect the unburned fuel coming out in the exhaust after misfiring, but that unburned fuel can also do real damage to the cat converter, in which case just fixing the misfiring, while necessary, will not make the cat codes go away.
     
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    Your cats bad at minimum, possibly old traction battery also. If you need to go to the dealer or any mechanic to fix it you would be better off selling it. The only possible way to break even at this point in your cars life is if you can do the repairs yourself. If you cant then sell it.