Now, it's meat processors that are shutting down due to COVID 19

a couple more weeks and we're in the clear, no worries

 

Really??? Smart people in your neck of the woods think it's more like a couple more years instead of weeks or months.

Social distancing may remain in place until 2022, Harvard researchers say

 

'may'

i'm talking about meat. when we're thru the surge, people will start to calm down

 

I don't know what this means...or why I am even posting it.
But I once ate a 1/2 lb. Hamburger while watching a lengthy report on Mad Cow Disease.

 

I hope you were not doing this while visiting in the UK.

 

Hunting your own meat or hording or buying it on the hoof and slaughtering it yourself, you will need the freezer space and a back up power supply if the power goes out for a few days. Probably little worry now, but if the shut down goes on for a long time and the rate of infections keeps doubling each 2 weeks, it won't be long before the utilities stability will be threatened. Add to the lack of workers because they are either sick or in 14 days quarantine because they have come into contact with someone who has it or even a case of the flu, what about those who can't pay their bill? No business can keep running without $$ coming in, with a lot of the big power users shut down and people not being able to pay for their domestic supply .........

T1 Terry

 

If it gets that bad, the quarantines will be dropped. Worst case C-19 death toll is 'only' about 2 million in the U.S. Allowing the power grid or other utilities to collapse would be much worse, more deadly.

If it gets bad, utility shutoffs will be banned during the course of this outbreak. Discussions already happening, at least in my region. Business cash shortfalls from lack of customer payment would be addressed by another round of corporate welfare/socialism cash infusions from Uncle Sam.

 

Add another few million deaths for the ah, 'discussion' over which few million get sacrificed to disease.

 

tysons meat packing plant in maine reopens...

 

Won't the next million be the FIRST million?

I must be miss-reading the stats because I'm seeing WAY less than a half a million deaths world-wide since this whole thing kicked off.....er as far as we know.
One thing that is a little more knowable is that the US deaths are less than 75,000....almost a QUARTER of those deaths in TWO states.

.....or am I misinformed?

Coronavirus Death Toll and Trends - Worldometer

 

and 80% of them are non essential

 

Well... I don't know about that, but TWO things are fairly clear.

1. The death rate is trending downward globally.
2. MORE than 80 percent of the people live in the Northern Hemisphere. Actually it's closer to 90 percent, which means that even if you get another east coast fiasco, the mortality rates are probably going to continue to fall throughout the summer.

 

I was reading an article the other day. In the 2018 Flu, it was the 28 year olds that had the highest proportion of deaths. Speculation is that when that age group were babies, they had a type of flu relatively similar to the "Spanish Flu" and their infant immune system learned all too well how to fight of that virus. But when the "Spanish Flu" came around, their immune system thought it was the earlier virus and didn't create any anti-bodies to fight the "Spanish Flu". And this wasn't know until well after the fact. Researchers had to go through old death certificates to sniff out the statistical oddity of this one age group being so much more affected fatally than even an age group a year older or younger. Or even that the old folks.

 

Hummmm,,, Interesting theory... But I don't buy it. If the type of flu relatively similar to the "Spanish Flu" infected those babies specifically 28 years earlier say they were 1 year old then. Wouldn't that same flu also infected 2 year old or 3 year old? That theory does not explain why the type of flu relatively similar to the "Spanish Flu" infected just that age group in the first place.

 

Last summer I had a little talk with a niece about investing. At the time, I couldn't think of any more riveting example of the marvelous behavior of eˣ than that. A run-of-the-mill growth rate of 7 percent a year doesn't sound too exciting, but point out that's the same as doubling every ten years (10¼-ish, close enough for a pretty simple memory aid) and it starts to get interesting. Explain how that means if young niece spends an unnecessary $100 today, that just took $13,000 from future geezer niece's pocket, point gets made.

(Nobody ever really put it that way to me at that age; I'd be better provided for if someone had.)

That's for an exponential growth example where it takes ten years to double.

It's already been covered over here that the time our confirmed COVID cases took to double was under three days, the whole period from late February to late March when we got our butts off that ride. (That period covered ten doublings, better than tacking on three zeros; we had 16 cases on February 27th, and had crossed the 16,000 mark a week early, by March 20th.)

Deaths lag cases, of course, so the death growth didn't stop being exponential for a few weeks after we had started climbing off the ride.

At JHU's US dashboard, the first day showing a death count was March 16th, with 84.

There is no three-day period where US deaths less than doubled until the one ending March 30th, and not consistently until the numbers April 3rd and later finally show we're no longer on a doubling-inside-three-days exponential ride.

We got from 84 deaths to 7,700 in that period, very close to tacking on two zeros. (By the following day, we had.) Doubling inside 3 days is the same as sprouting another zero inside of ten days—another nearly-exact memory aid.

I am thankful that we got off that ride, and did not celebrate 77,000 on April 13th, or 770,000 on April 23rd.

The ride hasn't been dismantled and trucked away, though. The calliope is still playing and we can get right back on if we decide that's what we want. How many more zeros do we need to make a million?

 

the secret is to keep the bug out of the nursing homes. too late for that, but idk how many are left alive at this point.

 

Shutting down the economy back in March was necessary because the cost of not doing so made that choice obvious.
The story THEN went something like “flattening the curve” so that the US could deal with the pandemic.
Looking forward...we can’t STAY locked down for all of the same reasons.

 

Almost sounds like the sort of situation where it would be useful to set some meaningful, informed criteria for staged reopening, and even follow them.

 

Talk to your local and state government.
We live in a place where each state has some autonomy to decide for themselves how they want to follow their local practices.

SOMETIMES....unless the state government is power-drunk, they will allow individual counties some flexibility......and the really cool part is that THIS strategery will allow counties and cities to announce and enforce more strict policies than are allowed by the state.

Almost like that's how it's supposed to work in the first place.....

My beloved state of Indiana is 14th from the worst hit state - but hey.....they're neighbors with at least one horribly managed state that's in the top five. If I were sitting in the state capitol I would allow that some of the more remote or lesser populated counties (Warren, Union, Benton) might be allowed little more freedom of action than those like Marion, Lake or Allen.
This was placed into stark perspective in Michigan, where 15 of their counties that were geographically separated from the other 68 (?) were forced to follow mandates that seemed a little........interesting. All because some of their cities either failed to react effectively or were just plain unlucky.

Since this thread is still in the adult part of the forum, I will let people decide for themselves whether or not some Michiganders were auditioning for a federal job......

As far as meat packing plants?
In my first reserve unit, we had some members who worked in a quasi-local Tyson plant.
I haven't voluntarily eaten one of their products in over 20 years and would shed no tears if the industry were completely automated....or.....eliminated.

I'm not one of 'those' kinda veggies but the meat packing industry in the US could use the shake-up.
I probably know 20 people with cows...meaning more than 5 or 6 and I can tell you that THEY have been complaining for decades about the nearly unsustainable low prices that beef has been selling for on their end of the supply pipeline.....