Prime vs Prius vs tesla 3

I would not get a Tesla for that commute.

even with excellent public charging coverage you may run into a great deal of frustration .


if occasionally having a failed charge, extra time waiting somewhere or a cab is an adventure go for it.



personally if you are talking brand new and you are willing to drive for the car take the Prime, it’s usually cheaper than a standard lift back.

 

True for the old Model S, but the Model 3 standard range is one of the most efficient plug ins available. The Prime might be 10% better than the long range one. The performance models get worse, but 30kW/100 mi to the Prime's 25.

 

For my daily 40 miles roundtrip, and occasional long trip, the Prime is 'almost' ideal. Fun in EV mode and great mpg otherwise.

If I drove as much as you though, I would seriously consider a RAV4 hybrid or (if you can wait, and have access to a dealer where you can actually get one at a decent price when they're out later this year) RAV4 Prime.

If you haven't driven an SUV with the higher seating and better visibility in traffic, it seems to be less stressful and a RAV4 hybrid or Prime has good acceleration, and might be a better overall experience for long drives?

 

If money is no object (still cheaper than Tesla)
and he only keeps a car until warranty expiration the newer 2017+ BMW I3 REX will do his commute if he codes hold mode. It has a higher more upright seating position and if he has difficulty charging he can limp home on the gas burner.

further out of the PHEV options he would get the most battery range.

 

I got what he was saying in his reply above. I was just letting him know that mine was $.50 a day before I got solar.

 

Base model Prime can be under $20k after Toyota discounts, dealer discounts, utility discounts, and state & fed tax breaks.

Here’s a handy tool that finds incentives in your zip code:

PlugStar Shopping Assistant

 

sauce for the goose. Switch two words around from your sentence and it makes the same logic;

Remember, some of these older used Tesla's come with lifetime supercharging.
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It's really whatever works best for the purchaser. There are getting to be a lot more plugins with longer-range which - if you seek to run mostly Electric, one might search a few other models.
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as an FYI
Tesla has been deleting lifetime supercharging from “used” 2nd owner cars.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2019/07/22/tesla-removes-free-unlimited-supercharging-used-cars/amp/

 

Maybe. One has to do the math in either case, but even used Teslas are much more expensive than a used Prius, so I suspect the math still works in the Prius' favor. And he still likely has to pay for some electricity for home charging with either car, but more for the Tesla.

 

i would have a tesla now except:

i'm waiting on a model y

i'm waiting for the $30,000. version after all incentives

i'm waiting for more superchargers

i'm waiting for more range

i'm waiting for faster charging

 

For $1200 a Prius Prime and many Prius can be equipped with OpenPilot and have most of the capabilities of Tesla auto-pilot.

 

Even if I have a full EV battery, I always drive HV mode on the highway: the car is much more pleasant to drive than with a depleted battery (i.e. like a regular-but-heavier Prius) overtaking is a breeze and the fuel economy excellent (around 60 MPG@ 80 Mph).
So, in terms of driving pleasure, I would definitevely say Prius Prime.

 

there are several cars that have DIY instructions for openpilot. I wonder if there are any shops that install it in Calif.
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curious - how so?
The Gen 2 Chevy Volt has the same feature, called "Hill hold" though for the life of me, who can figure why they would rather run their electric only going up a hill. 50+ ev miles - and the (discontinued) 2019 can charge @ 7.2kW's which is pretty dang sweet.
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Heck no! Can you imagine the liability!?!
I'm all for semi and fully autonomous vehicles, but this whole DIY-openpilot thing is insane. People should not be modifying their personal vehicles for use on public roadways like that. If they get in an accident, I hope the injured is able to subpoena their device records and bankrupt them for their little experimenting. Playing around with other people's lives isn't cool.

 

Even regular Prius, when the SOC is above the 60%, is more reactive to the accelerator inputs, however, this "state of grace" lasts just until the SOC is down to 60% or below.
When the EV portion of the traction battery is depleted, the Prius Prime behaves in similar way.
When the the EV portion of the TB is full, the Prime behaves in a similar way of the regular Prius with TB SOC > 60%, except that this state of grace lasts a lot longer.
Such exuberance in HV mode is more evident with stronger accelerator inputs, I think because the DCL (discharge current limit) of the Prime is well above the DCL of the regular Prius; in other words, we have more power available.
With the regular Prius (I had a Gen 3), on highways I always switched on Power Mode, as this made overtaking easier; with the Prime in HV mode and a full TB, this is not anymore necessary.

 

hill hold is a parking brake feature that keeps you from rolling backwards when you stop on a hill.


The thing you are referring to is called mountain mode and it targets a specific battery SOC so if you drive in actual mountains you don’t have a 15mph BMW I3 experience. And It’s a holdover from the Gen 1 Volt and it’s sometimes anemic generator tune.


Hold Mode is just a set it and forget it engage the engine while neither charging or discharging the battery. (Aka hybrid now)
This is the most useful mode because you can use up all your EV power in the city and at lower speeds and engage the engine exactly when you want it on long steady highway trips. This increases overall efficiency.

mthat s how I do this

 

Also, the Prime uses a oneway clutch to allow MG1 to add its torque to that of MG2 which gives a nice power boost in EV mode.