Was my mechanic trying to take advantage of me?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by ArthurCAdams, Sep 9, 2006.

  1. ArthurCAdams

    ArthurCAdams New Member

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    Okay, the relevant details first: I have a 2005 Prius. Its thirteen months old, with 30K miles on it.

    I took it in for the 30K service at the dealership. (I've had all the services performed at the dealership where I bought it -- Antwerpen Toyota in Clarksville, MD)

    I have the Toyota pre-paid maintenance plan, which was sold to me as all the recommended maintenance for the first 55K miles.

    The non 15K services were just oil changes and the like, all covered by the pre-paid maintenance. The 15K, though, I paid about $100 for some extra work (I don't have the receipt in front of me.)

    When I dropped it off for the 30K service, I asked my service manager how much extra it would cost me, since 30K is a major service, and I remembered the extra for the 15K service. He said about $100.

    The next morning, he called me at work, and told me it needed $800 in service. Considering that it runs beautifully and that he had told me before it was only going to be $100, I was more that a little suspicious.

    Here's what he wanted to do, and the cost:

    Flush Brake Fluid System (ABS and VSC) $87
    Flush Invertor System, Renew Coolant $120
    Replace PCV Valve and Service System $120
    Replace A/C Cabin Air Filter $62
    A/C Evaporator Unit Mold/Mildew Cleaning $150
    Fuel Injector Cleaning $260
    Total $799

    I talked with some friends and co-workers. The response was unanimous that he was trying to take advantage of me. Further, one friend said he and his wife had a very bad experience with that dealership, and told me directly that they could not be trusted.

    I also called my father, who lives in Tennessee, and is also a Toyota owner. He contacted his dealership (Fox Toyota, in Clinton, Tennessee), and asked their opinion. They agreed that the price was too high (estimating $300-$400), and pointed out that no where in the recommended maintenance guide does Toyota recommend a brake system flush, at any mileage, much less for a relatively new car.

    I told the service manager to just do the fuel injector cleaning (I'm not even sure why I agreed to that). If I had the maintenance guide with me at work, I would have told him to replace the cabin air filter, since that's the only thing on that list that is recommended by Toyota (though I'm curious as to why its not covered by the pre-paid maintenance.)

    A little searching on here said something about 120K miles for the inverter fluid replacement.

    So, I really suspect he was trying to take advantage of me. Opinions?
     
  2. etyler88

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    Yes. How much proof and reassurance do you need?

    Even the factory recommended maintenance is not needed. It is mostly check this wiggle that. Do you think anything really bad will happen if you don't change your cabin air filter? Gas, oil and tires is all that the car needs in the first 100k miles. How can car quality be going up and maintainance not be going down. Dealers recommend as much if not more maintenace as they did thirty years ago yet cars are much better now.
     
  3. efusco

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    Tell them you want exactly the service recommended in the "passport" by Toyota and that the rest is unnecessary. I didn't even get all that stuff done at my 30k, other than oil/filter/tire rotation it's all pretty much fluff.
     
  4. ArthurCAdams

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Sep 9 2006, 09:51 AM) [snapback]316929[/snapback]</div>
    well, the cabin air filter is probably a good idea for me, since I have allergies.

    I'm sending a letter to Toyota corporate, and CC'ing the General Manager of the dealership, letting them know of my displeasure, and that I'll be going to a different dealership for service.
     
  5. galaxee

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    kudos to you for exercising your right to deny all the crap they were trying to upsell to you.

    if they had said something like "here's some optional stuff you may want to consider and here's why" that would be a much more ethical business practice.

    you could MAYBE use the brake flush after 100k... even then it's only a maybe.
    he's never heard of anyone "flushing" the inverter... drain and refill maybe. even that's not till the 100k service.
    wonder what kind of "service" they were going to do to the PCV system... you replace the PCV valve and that's that
    wouldn't even suggest FI cleaning on a prius unless absolutely necessary- most fuel lines are steel construction. the prius has aluminum construction with a plastic coating to prevent corrosion. this also acts as the primary seal when you make a quick connect. when you disconnect it, there's a fairly good chance that when you reconnect it, the plastic will bunch up and the line will leak. and the connection there sits directly above the exhaust manifold. gas plus heat = bbaaadddd.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ArthurCAdams @ Sep 9 2006, 08:56 AM) [snapback]316931[/snapback]</div>

    If that's the case, I'd recommend learning how to change it yourself. This is about the easiest task one can perform on the car; it'll take all of 2 minutes and save you $40.

    Basically, open the lower glove box. On the right side, there is a piston type thingy that slides off the connector post on the glove box. Take that off. Squeeze the sides of the glove box in a little bit to get the glove box to open beyond stops that are on each side and let it open all the way. Behind the glove box is the filter in a white tray. Slide it out, remove filter, replace with new and reassemble. I'm pretty sure there are instructions in the manual, and I believe John1709a ( http://john1701a.com/ ) has illustrated manual showing all the steps.

    Overall, it took me longer to type this up than it would to change the filter.

    Since, I like to use OEM parts, I stop at the dealer once a year and pick up the filter; with their markup it runs $20 or so. You can find cheaper on the internet, but I'd rather spend 5 minutes at the dealer getting everything I need (I also get the car air filter--just as easy to replace, oil filters, wiper inserts,...) rather than searching the internet for the best deal.

    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ArthurCAdams @ Sep 9 2006, 09:56 AM) [snapback]316931[/snapback]</div>
    $62 for replacing the cabin air filter seems like a rip off as well. The part only costs $15 from Metropolitan: http://www.metrotpn.com/ProductDetails.asp...mp;SortIndex=13 . At a local dealer it should still be less than $20. The instructions used to be in the owner's manual for 2004 and 2005, but are not in the 2006 manual. However, John1701a's site has an excellent how-to guide with photos on how to install it (go to http://john1701a.com/ and look for Air Conditioner Filter under Prius Info). It might take you 10 minutes the first time, it takes less than 5 minutes once you know what you are doing. And it does not require any tools!

    - Tom
     
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    I bought my Prius at Antwerpen as well and won't be back for service unless its something very Prius specific. If you're considering alternatives for more routine maintenance (yeah, I know you already bought the maintenance plan) I'd recommend Foreign Auto Experts on Route 1, just a bit north of where Route 100 crosses it. I've been taking our cars there for more than 10 years and, although I won't claim they're perfect, I think they're as honest as you get. Given what Antwerpen is charging you for the pre-paid, it might actually be cheaper to go somewhere else!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ArthurCAdams @ Sep 9 2006, 08:56 AM) [snapback]316931[/snapback]</div>
    Sure, but you can buy a replacement air filter online for less than $10 and change it yourself in a matter of 1-2 minutes...it's very easy. There's just no reason to pay the dealer $62!! Even if you bought the filter from the parts dept. at your dealer it would only be about $17. Even my dealer only tries to rape you for about $27 for the cabin filter replacement. $62 is criminal.



    See John1701a.com for instructions to change it yourself...but you can figure it out...open the bottom glove box, release the little hydrolic on the right to lower it completely down. Behind where the glove box was is a white 'thing'...there's a little clip on that. Release the clip, open the door, pull out old filter, put in new filter, close door, reattach hydrolic and close the glove box.
     
  10. ArthurCAdams

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mini2prius @ Sep 9 2006, 11:01 AM) [snapback]316959[/snapback]</div>
    Being a Laurelite, I'm going to try CarMax Toyota -- its about midway between home and work, so its quite convenient to me. And I'd still need to use the pre-paid at a Toyota dealer, of course.
     
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    If you have to pay for all the routine oil changes, and you have to pay $100 extra (or more) for the other maintenance...exactly what is the prepaid maintenance plan for? Apparently it doesn't pay for anything.

    And yes, he's trying to screw you. Tell them that. And tell them you're reporting them to Toyota Central or whoever is higher on the food chain. You can also tell them that you'll be warning everyone you know including posting it on the internet for all Prius owners close enough to consider them for service.

    If it were me, I would have said no to everything and picked my car up and taken it somewhere else.

    And I would have flipped them off on the way out.

    But then, that's just me.
     
  12. Charles Suitt

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    <_< I am quite pleased with my Dealer's Service Department, because...

    I always provide a "by the numbers" list of the service I require and NEVER say "Do the 20,000 mile service." My Dealer's service follows my requests exactly, inclusive of using the 3½ quarts of Mobil-1 5W30 oil I provide (to prevent over-filling) and the tire pressures specified (40 psi front and 38 psi rear) after rotation. Yes, my Dealer has posted their "recommendations" which include unnecessary, even impossible, services on the Prius. The cabin air filter, I personally inspect and will replace when needed.

    If your Prius "lives" in the Dallas TX area, PM me for my Dealer Service Department recommendation.
     
  13. ArthurCAdams

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Sep 9 2006, 01:35 PM) [snapback]317011[/snapback]</div>

    No, the oil changes are part of the pre-paid maintenance.

    As for reporting them, I sent a letter to Toyota corporate today, with pretty much what I said above, albeit more formally, and CC'd the General Manager of the dealership.