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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    We bought the Standard Range Plus Model 3 (SRM3+) in anticipation of doing +700 mile cross country trips. So I planned a trip from Huntsville to Memphis SuperCharger; RV park in Tunica MS; Tupelo SuperCharger, and; Huntsville home. Instead this was my ~13 hour route:

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    Highlights of the trip:
    • AutoPilot with Autosteer works - normally a 13 hour trip would be pretty exhausting but other than needing a nap, this was OK.
    • Autosteer keeps me alert - it seems the right hand lane marker or curb, especially when it seems to curve away can lead to the car trying to 'split the difference' right at the ditch. It is easy to override the steering but it happens within a second or so stay alert. We also had another random, lane change abort. Using the turn signal to get the car to change lanes to the left, it just goes over the left line and then 'retreats' back into the original lane. The surprise is worse than the actual driving event.
    • Better destination planning - the Hollywood casino has an RV park where I was planning to take a nap and get a NEMA 14-50 charge to reach Tupelo. But due to a front desk delay, I decided to try their craps table ... their ONLY table had closed up at 11PM and I don't go to a casino to play a craps video game. A security guard recommended another casino, Horseshoe, ~5 miles way, so I checked it out and paid $4 for an hour of craps table fun. I started to drive back to the RV casino and realized "I'm not really that tired" and drove back to the Memphis Supercharger.
    • Cat nap at the charger - after 'watering the shrubbery' (NOTE: always visit bathroom before charging!) I let the seat back and took a brief nap while charging. I used both 5-10% pad on the battery before heading to my next destination. I did run low on the last leg which I resolve by taking slower, county roads and more direct route.
    • Arrived with 17 mi indicated on the battery - used this to measure the battery charge.
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    • 54.88 kW - JuiceBox charge
    • 15 mi residual range * 219 Wh/mi = 3.29 kWh - from car display
    • ~58.17 kWh best guess of usable battery capacity
    Bob Wilson

    ps. Video of the lane change and right-hand lane marker and curb:
     
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  2. bisco

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    is there a more sophisticated auto pilot available?
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    They call it "EAP Autopilot" and it costs more with a lot of promised improvements ... that are not here today. I would rather buy TSLA stock.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    thank you
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I forgot to include the trip costs:
    • Memphis, TN Supercharge $5.56
    • Memphis, TN Supercharger $1.50
    • Tupelo, MS Supercharge $5.47
    • Huntsville AL recharge $5.00
    Total: $17.53 for 537 miles, ~= $0.0345/mile
    $3.45 / 100 mile

    I can live with that.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    boston to florida and back, 4,000 miles, 2013 hycam, 7 1/2 cents per mile
     
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    Regarding the lane changes, I remember the Hyundai I was renting, a 2019 Santa Fe had the same issue. When lanes are merging or departing it kinda gets lost.
     
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    My unequivocal answer is........yes and no. First some history.

    Tesla first launched their autopilot program as Enhanced AutoPilot (EAP) as a $5K option. This was a hybrid system containing protocols for the current AutoPilot system (AP) and partial Full Self-Driving (FSD). FSD was an additional $3K option with no utility at the time other than buying into a future system as it was developed. I purchased the EAP option only last December. The EAP option was discontinued in early 2019.

    In March, 2019, Tesla introduced the AP option for $2000 when first introduced and now increased to $3000. AP has fewer features than the discontinued EAP option. An FSD option is now offered as a $5000 option which will add some of the protocols to AP which will make it similar to the discontinued EAP option. So a total cost of $7000 or $8000 for AP and FSD, depending on when you purchased AP. Yes, EAP is more sophisticated than AP but EAP is no longer available. To get the benefits of the EAP system now, you would have to purchase BOTH the AP and FSD options

    In March 2019, Tesla offered a two week sale to existing EAP owners for FSD at an additional $2000. I jumped on it. So I now have EAP and FSD for a total of $7000.

    Tesla will be adding new features to the FSD protocol on May 1, next week and throughout the year via OTA updates. NO, it will not be Full Self Driving in the sense of programming your car to take you from Boston to NYC while you sleep in the driver's seat. FSD is an incremental process that will add new features toward that goal as the A.I. system learns from people who are in command and at the wheel of the car. I am comfortable with that. If you are not comfortable with being a guinea pig driving a BETA product, you should not purchase either AP and FSD options.

    As the AP and FSD systems become more sophisticated, the price of those options will go up. By purchasing the FSD option last month, my on-board computer will be swapped out for free to the new HW3 hardware which is supposedly 10 times more sophisticated and faster than the current HW2.5 hardware. I am excited about driving into the FUTURE.
     
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    This 2h 35m YouTube has the technical details:


    Although all Tesla cars made today (the Model 3 as of 10 days ago) have the new hardware, development continues. IMHO, I prefer to wait until more refined versions are available perhaps in year or so.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Back of envelope electricity cost:
    • $0.10/kWh - home rate
    • $0.20/kWh - SuperCharger rate on recent trip
    • 219 Wh/mi or 4.5 mi/kWh
    Bob Wilson
     
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    True, but those cars will be software locked at the current AP level if the FSD option is not purchased. I suspect the cost of the FSD option will increase over the next year and into the future.
     
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    Source: https://www.tesla.com/teslaaccount/own/upgrades.html?vin=NVlKM0UxRUExS0YyOTkyMzQ

    Full Self Driving Capability
    • - Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars.
    • - Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces.
    • - Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really.
    Coming later this year:
    • - Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.
    • - Automatic driving on city streets
    Note: Autopilot is required for the purchase of Full Self Driving Capability

    Buy for $7,000    ​

    Source: Tesla will increase Full Self-Driving option price 'substantially' on May 1 - Electrek

    Tesla is about to increase the price of its Full Self-Driving option ‘substantially’ on May 1 right after the company will demonstrate its latest autonomous driving capability at an event at the end of the month.​

    Bob Wilson


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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    @bwilson4web your regular AP car does auto lane change? What software version are you on?
     
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    It is lane change initiated by pushing the turn signal on ... not holding. When the lane change completes, the car turns off the turn signal.
    Bob Wilson
     
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    Yes, that is one difference between AP and EAP. With "Navigate on Autopilot" activated on EAP. the computer turns on the turn signal, makes the lane change automatically (when safe), and takes the appropriate off ramp to get you to your pre-programmed destination. It is not FSD, but it is getting closer all the time.
     
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    You got a feature on regular AP that no one else did then. Auto lane change (even the one pushing the turn stalk) isn't on regular AP. It's weird that you have it on yours.
     
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    Regular AutoPilot here, and using my turn signal immediately deactivates auto steering. Would love it if it did not, but not ready for the full $7K FSD upgrade


    iPad ?
     
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    i don't think i could buy one without the 'come get me' feature :love:
     
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    Bob Wilson
     
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