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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Oct 22, 2015.

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  1. bisco

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    hang on, i'm ring to think of a snappy retort
     
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    Your loss...
     
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    maybe, maybe not.
     
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    i got it! 662 pages, no one read it, but everyone got what they wanted
     
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    A lot of effort went into writing that bill. But I can't sell such products around here.Here, it's bisquick. Convenience foods for the mind.
     
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    yup, no argument there. that's why we elect them, and pay all the salaries. some of us have to make a living
     
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    Well...some of us vote and pay taxes.
     
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    Might NOT be as sweeping an environmental bill as ya think. It was obvious that the Methow, WA area needed protection, since miners were chomping at the bit to pollute the sweet waters of the Methow. Another obvious protection site was the lands just north of Yellowstone Nat'l Park. Some of sites in the southwest were battle fields..... yeah, yeah..... the southern Senators can protect the unsullied & "honorable" reputations of some more Civil War confederate generals. Left unprotected are the huge Ogallala Aquifers, which have been drained unnecessarily for many score years.
     
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    Sweeping: Without a doubt there are gaps, and those will be most apparent to those such as yourself who are especially well informed about particular areas. Still, it is very large, convincingly passed in Senate, and not what many would expect from current Senate. It qualifies as news.

    Ogallala Aquifer is a tough nut to crack. A large area has high agricultural productivity in part because externalities such as non-renewable water withdrawals are not "priced into the products". Certainly merits discussion if one steps up to lead that.
     
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    I don't find evidence quickly cite able that Ogallala mostly recharged in glacial and post-glacial wet times. That is certainly my impression and central to discussion.

    In contrast, Edwards aquifer in Texas gets pumped back up in wet years under current climate. Such differences are also important if we 'drill down' on this topic.
     
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    No. The beginnings of Ogallala preservation is easy, just as the causative factors of aquifer depletion, were easy to instigate. The first major withdrawals from the Ogallala were already excessive. As the years rolled by, american excess food production suppressed farm prices, exactly what the small family farms could NOT accommodate. As the commercial Mega-farms took over the family farm lands, they not only paid the govt enough money to let them use more Ogallala waters, they also lobbied govt to allow sales of excess foodstuffs around the world. Yes, the well known quantity capped aquifers were draining, only with the result to hurt family farms, & over-produce food that even the Mega farms were having a hard time distributing. Of course, for decades now, consumers have been eating food at unnaturally cheap prices, founded on NON-expendable water sources. With many environmental pressures building into the future, america has artificially added to these problems with the decreasing ability of the Ogallala to provide in the future, just when we could most use its plenty (which ISN'T plentiful any longer).
     
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    I suggest
    “Groundwater depletion and sustainability of irrigation in the US High Plains and Central Valley”
    Scanlon et al 2012, in PNAS

    as a starting point for people entering this topic.
     
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    Wally Broecker has died. He was the source of much detailed knowledge about ocean circulation. Therefore, a leader in climate modeling because so much depends on oceans. He was also a heckuva guy.

    Wiki:
    Wallace Smith Broecker - Wikipedia

    Note that 'selected books' section includes several books free to download. Hope some appreciate these resources and how they allow insights into a great mind, as well as this congenial planet.

    In a week or few there will be obituaries in scientific journals probably containing personal tidbits.
     
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    seems suspicious. i hope autopsies are done on the fellas, koal bros might be behind it.
     
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